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#201 GiGi

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:56 PM

Hi LNCronan,
I just thought of something. Let’s just say for the sake of argument that if Gideon had his security team check Nathan’s hotel room after Carey was attacked, do you think that would be enough to set Nathan off? Mrsmajessick noted that Nathan was seen walking outside of the Crossfire Building a second time. Could it be that Nathan lost “it” mentally after the ransack? Some people who suffer from some type of delusion also have a sort of paranoia as well. So could Nathan have come back to his room after it had been searched, Nathan realized that things had been moved around or were missing and he snaps…? What do you think? What does everyone think?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:57 PM

Hi AMC,
I completely agree that Victor could be capable of harming Nathan if he ever found out about what Nathan had done to his daughter? Here’s the question. Do you think that Victor found out about Nathan had done to Eva before he was killed?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:00 PM

Hi LNCronan,
I don’t think that Detective Graves hit the jackpot with Eva’s dad (yes my paraphrase not yours). You theory fails to take into consideration that although Eva’s dad is a detective, he is a father first and foremost. He may not have been able to give Eva a luxurious lifestyle but he can certainly protect his daughter from legal harm; by helping whomever killed Nathan cover it up. I seriously don’t see Victor talking to the detectives to try and cut a deal for his daughter or even him throwing who ever it was under the bus.

What I find interesting is why Eva still feels the need to lie to her dad about Nathan? I understand what Eva’s motives were when she was younger but she is an adult now and no harm can come to her mother? Was Victor in love with Monica or just the idea of her? Have the years just magnified a fond memory into a supposed huge torrid unrequited love?

Did Eva’s dad really buy her lame explanation of Nathan or did he do a little investigating of his own? There can be just as much meaning in what is not said as in what is said….like when Monica fell off the side of the earth and didn’t obsessively call her daughter the week before Nathan was killed. :)

I seriously don’t think that Detective Graves would have dropped the bomb of Eva’s rape on Victor. If she did, I seriously don’t think that Victor would have taken it well. Victor isn’t his profession, he works at his profession. Think about it for a second, how would you react if one of your colleagues filled you in on what happened to your daughter. Then let your mind wonder why your own daughter wouldn’t say anything or come to you for help, or that the woman you have been carrying a torch for (for all these years allowed this to happen) and then wonder why you were the only person who was never in the loop….then see how helpful you would be towards someone who you don’t even know…is trying to use your kid to further her career (yes she would be solving a crime but that isn’t her only motivation).

How’s this for an alternate theory; someone (Detective Graves, Carey, Gideon, Monica, you fill in the blanks…) spills the beans to Victor about what happened to Eva, so being a cop for so many years, Victor knows how the criminal justice system works. He decides that in that moment, he is going to eliminate any threat that can hurt his daughter. He can relax knowing that she is going to be safe with him so he enjoys the rest of the weekend with her. He carefully maps out how he is going covers said crime up and quietly counsels whomever it was that killed Nathan, just what exactly to do. What do you think? What does everyone think?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:27 PM

I agree!!!
True, Victor is a detective, but he is a father first!
Somehow and in some way, I think he will be the help that Eva and Gideon need..

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:37 PM

Maybe Gideon only slept with Blodes. Remember he didn't hang with the chicks he banged? He initially wanted to only have sex with Eva.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:17 PM

 

Maybe Gideon only slept with Blodes. Remember he didn't hang with the chicks he banged? He initially wanted to only have sex with Eva.

 
Hi Mrs. CrossXxXxX,
That has been another hotly debated topic of interest. Some say that Gideon has a hair fetish (well actually I jokingly suggested that). Others say that Sylvia planted the hair colour of some of the characters as a “red herring” or something to distract the reader with. Who knows? :)

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:03 AM

I can't see Victor calmly hanging out with Eva all weekend, doing touristy stuff, if someone told him Friday night -- "that guy we were asking her about, the one we found dead this morning? He raped your daughter for years starting when she was only ten years old." Victor would go postal, probably cry as he held his now-grown little girl, then shown up enraged on Monica's doorstep. He'd probably almost want to kill Monica herself for failing to notice for four years that Eva was being raped.



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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:13 AM

Maybe Gideon only slept with Blodes. Remember he didn't hang with the chicks he banged? He initially wanted to only have sex with Eva.

 

If I had the chance to ask Sylvia one, and only one, spoiler question topic area, it would be the brunette versus blonde versus redhead topic. 

 

  • Did Gideon, who dated exclusively brunettes, also sometimes sleep with brunettes -- or -- after Corrine, did he not sleep with any brunettes, ever?
  • Were all his casual sex partners only blondes?
  • Was Anne Lucas as a redhead was an exception he made purely because he was using her for revenge?"
  • The one woman who works in the public reception area of his office is an attractive redhead. Does her hair color matter because he won't have to worry about becoming sexually attracted her?

 

So much attention is paid to the whole hair color thing that I think there's a story behind it that rises to the level of fetish and is all wrapped up in Gideon's sex issues.

 

Here's a theory: just like Gideon divided his women into two categories: social escorts and casual sex partners, did he also separate his women into two hair colors: brunette (his dates) and blondes (his sex partners.) Thus Eva being blonde take on even more significance, because she's the only blonde to ever rise above the category of the women who (to use Magdalene's cattiness) " .... once he stuck his d*** in them, he was done."



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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:46 PM

The hair color thing ......

 

I think the redhead was just Ann Lucas - being the DR wife was thing that attached him

 

I don't know of any other blondes mentioned other than Eva, which is why it is such a BIG thing with everyone from her own Mom to all his family.

 

and now the biggie - the all brunette dates' ... my theory is that it all comes back to his mother, he was neglected from his father's death (we don't know about her before), it just got worse when she remarried and had a whole new family  Once again ignoring his needs and then the worst - not believing or supporting him when he came to her about the abuse.  

 

I think in the car Eva finally understands his drive to succeed was his need to 'find his place in the world, to be more than an outsider'.  He admits the loves her (not the right word) and that with her he has a place in the world with her.  He told her once that he had been looking to her all his life, that one person in the world he could trust with his most private thoughts and secrets.  Someone who love him knowing all those details. 



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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:04 PM

Hi everyone,
It occurred to me that everyone has made mention of Gideon’s hair preferences, but Gideon himself never made mention of it. Could it be that everyone assumed that Gideon had a preference because they automatically made a correlation between Gideon’s mom and Corinne having black hair?

Could Gideon be orchestrating the entire “rouse” in order to distract the public from delving into his private life too much? It seems that Gideon controls absolutely everything in his life. What does everyone think?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:21 PM

Hi LNCronan,
I don’t think the scenario presented would be in Victor’s character. On one hand Victor is methodical. He would have conferred or been helping “professional colleagues” to catch a killer all while he was discussing all of the gory details of his daughter’s past without even batting an eye lash. The way the theory is laid out, a person would think that Victor would be willing to put his daughter in harm’s way (all in the name of solving the murder of the scumbag who brutally raped and tortured his daughter) and then miraculously would figure out a way to make sure that his daughter got immunity so that Gideon could be prosecuted all in the name of justice.

On the other hand Victor is supposed to completely fall apart at the thought of hearing terrible news about his daughter. Victor is either methodical and all about his career and the pursuit of justice or he’s a dad first and foremost. Which is it? I think that if Victor went “postal” he certainly wouldn’t do it around his daughter. He would know that she already had enough to deal with; his years of experience with the police force would have taught him that. I think that if he got upset, he would have done it in the privacy of his own space, without anyone around see this. Then I think he would have gotten really angry and maybe violently angry. I certainly think that Victor would do anything to help is daughter. If he couldn’t help her when she was little he could certainly be in the position to help her now.

Cops make great actors and liars. They lie to suspects all the time to get them to confess. Why would’ this situation not be any different. Could Victors’ silence be an act of compassion? If Eva didn’t feel comfortable revealing this part of her past couldn’t there be a reason for it? Could Victor realize that and therefore makes like the happy father for the weekend…all the while he realizes what he must do? Could his silence be Victor trying to figure out his next move? That would be a lot of horrible information to process in a short while. What do you think?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:10 AM

I think that Victor would react as Dad first and then once he calmed down -- and that would take some time -- as a cop second.

 

When I said he'd "go postal" I meant his knee-jerk emotional reaction would be to erupt in anger, metaphorically want to lash out. Gideon snapped the stem of a wine glass, but Gideon has had years of practice hiding and controlling his emotions. Victor, as your basic good guy would temporarily lose it. Especially if Eva were not in his presence at the time he learned the truth. If she were (for example, if she were the one to tell him) he'd rage out at the thought of that animal Nathan, but then he'd crumble into sadness at the thought of 10-year-old Eva being raped. I could see Victor weeping.

 

And when Victor learns this went on for four years, he's going to be seriously p******* at Monica. Any hidden resentment he has deep inside about her choosing financial security over him would be greatly magnified in his believing (with some reason) that Monica chose financial security over Eva's safety. Yes, Nathan was terrorizing Eva into silence. But Monica should have noticed something was wrong.

 

When cop-mode finally would kick in, it'd be interesting to see where this leads Victor. I can envision where it would lead a cop with a great deal of experience working with rape victims -- (i.e. detectives.) But Victor is a street cop, not a detective - and I think there's good reason why Sylvia has made him both a regular good guy and a regular cop. Victor wouldn't have been solving rape cases. But as a first-responding officer, he most certainly would have been seeing victims who immediately reported their crimes to police. 



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:17 AM

Good points, ladies!

 

Victor is a father first and when he finds out how close Nathan was to murdering Eva, I think that he will be grateful to Gideon for all that he did....



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:19 AM

Did you see this? It's a 'Snapshot' of Chapter 1
 
 
 
 


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:41 AM

I see a fuzzy shot of a newspaper in the background, a pen in the foreground and the word Press. I've got two separate theories:

 

  1. More of Gideon continuing to deliberately manipulate the media, especially the tabloids, via continuing to appear in public with Corrine even though he is now secretly seeing Eva.
  2. The cops leaking the story to the media that a former step family member of socialites Eva Trammel and her mother Monica Stanton had been found murdered a couple of weeks earlier in New York City. I'm sure the media would mention why Eva is famous enough to be tabloid fodder -- she recently had a hot and heavy thing going on with celebrity billionaire Gideon Cross.

Why I like # 1 better:

I can see Gideon and Eva making a pact in Chapter One that whatever the danger, they find a way to spend stolen time together. In order to lessen the risk, Gideon is going to need to keep up the public lie he's seeing Corrine. Eva will be willing to put up with that, now that she knows the truth about why Gideon started living that lie.

 

His public behavior at the start of Entwined would be a continuation of what he started doing halfway through Reflected. Especially because we know he deliberately set things up to have himself photographed with Corrine on at least two separate occasions the week of the murder. And those are just the ones we know about, because Eva saw those. She quit looking after the picture of the party at the hotel, but Gideon was continuing to spend time with Corrine. Eva caught him red-handed coming out of the Crossfire with Corrine a couple of weeks later.

 

Why I think #2 is a possibility

Maybe the cops want to continue to turn up the heat on Gideon and Eva, including even draw out of the woodwork people who might know something. Such as a witness who can place Gideon near Nathan's hotel the night of the murder. Or perhaps make it harder for Eva to walk around in public unnoticed, because suddenly she'd be back in the news again, this time for something even juicier than being Gideon's now-former girlfriend.



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:56 AM

I'm having trouble seeing the snap shot.

All I see is a fuzzy shot of book pages in the background a pen and the headline of the word press.

Cn anyone help me out think the snapshot sounds great idea just wish I could read it

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:02 AM

I think that picture IS the clue. We're being given one word -- press -- along with a visual of a pen and a newspaper to make sure it is clear that the press is somehow going to factor into Chapter One.

 

There's no link to click on to find text (i.e. to read a snippet). It's simply that one word, press.

 

Very clever!!!! Sylvia has found all new ways to whet our appetite. And whip us up into a lather. Love it!



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:36 AM

Hmmmmm...!! This is interesting..! "Press" chapter one..! For some strange reason I don't think it's Gideon and Eva getting married I don't think that would happen in the first chapter..!! I do however think they will be getting married in EWY.! Some tweeted Sylvia and ask if the get married and have babies in EWY and her response was "They Have A Long Time Before Babies come in the Picture.! Soooo..!!

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:48 AM

I am at work trying to absorb all of this and I am almost going crazy!!!   LOL!

 

LN Cronan:

I hope that your theory #1 is correct but my gut says that it ts theory #2......:-(



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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:47 PM

Hi LNCronan,
I think in this instance Victor would have kept his emotions under a tight rein and he would have put his “cop” face on. If Victor accidentally found out via the Detective I think he would have been trying to process that horrendous information and thus wouldn’t have said anything to help the detectives. He could have been in shock but he had also just witnessed the situation that occurred in Eva’s apartment and her “reactions” to the news about Nathan’s death. I don’t think that Victor would have anything (or given away any reactions about the news he just heard) because he would have realized the gravity of the situation and because he didn’t know what was going on, any admission (of knowing or not knowing) could inadvertently put his daughter under suspicion.

I think that initially, Victor would have been a huge jumble of emotions. He would have been angry, enraged at the thought of what exactly happened to his daughter during those years. Then he would have been angry about how both Eva and Monica kept this secret from him. He would have grieved for the loss of his daughter’s innocence and for all of the pain and suffering she had to endure. Then he would have asked himself what he did to Eva to make her afraid to come and talk to him. He would ask himself what he did wrong as a dad.

If he had been crying during the night, he would have been crying quietly. I don’t think that either Eva or Carey would have heard him. Both of them had been taking medications night. Finally once the night had passed and the morning was breaking, Victor could have reached a cold state of calm. He would have laced up his shoes to go for a run all the while trying to figure out a plan how to help his daughter and/or the person who killed Nathan cover up the crime.

I think that Victor would have had to ask himself some hard questions about his daughter and what her involvement, if any, was in Nathan’s murder. I state that is a possibility because if Eva was capable of keeping such a terrible secret from her dad, then what other secrets could she capable of keeping. In Victor’s mind, Eva’s terrible reaction could have been an admission of something more serious.

Now I am just stating an alternative theory to Victor’s reaction to finding out about Eva’s past on the night the detectives came to visit. I don’t personally believe this to be the case but it is an alternate way of looking at things. What does everyone think?




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