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Kirsten

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  1. Interesting to read the same scene from both points of view - I think having some of the scenes in CBY from both points of view would have been good, such as the scene where Gideon watched Eva approach Brett at the gig when Brett was with the look alike - and the scene after the night with the swing where Eva decided to leave him.  I almost began to dislike her for the speed with which she forgot the night before and their closeness, to make such a big issue out of his actions over Mark.  I told myself to accept it because there had to be a reason for her to be able to break him into telling Dr Peterson and it probably had to be a seemingly trivial reason (accepting that it was important to Eva that she was allowed to make her own mind up over her job situation), if it had been something major it would have been difficult to pull them back together.

     

    I think she should keep both scenes in the book and do some scenes where we read both Gideon and Eva's thoughts about the same thing.

    ​I agree with you over the whole Mark thing. It infuriated me that after their night all was forgotten. I don't think she'll have both scenes in the book, but it certainly would be interesting look at both perspectives.

  2. Hi Kirsten,

    Let me begin this posting by apologizing about the way I phrased my posting. I did not mean to imply that you were in some way or in any trying to justify Elizabeth Vidal's actions. You were simply relaying information that you were kind enough to share from another source.

    What I was reacting to was Elizabeth Vidal's ongoing denials and justifications about her actions. We as the readers have been given very little about what Elizabeth Vidal's life was prior to her husband's death and all we have had the opportunity to see is how she reacted when she was confronted with the fact that her child was being abused (which was beyond disgusting...enough said).

    After reading about Gideon's account of his abuse I was horrified. It also solidified my opinion of what kind of person/mother Elizabeth Vidal is. I had a visceral reaction. It is the mark of a truly great writer is someone who can evoke strong emotions with the swipe of a pen. Sylvia did a brilliant job of and is to be commended in my books. I am sorry that you got caught in the Crossfire (no pun intended).

    Hi GiGi,

    Totally agree with you regarding Elizabeth. I'm hoping we get a clearer picture if her in OWY, but I don't think I'll ever be able to forgive the horrible way she's gone about dealing with Gideon and his abuse. The fact that she still has not apologized for not believing him has me so 😡. I have to give Gideon credit for even speaking to her at this point.

    I also have to agree with you regarding Sylvia having us so invested in these characters. It speaks volumes about her writing ability.

  3. Hi Kirsten,

    I read your comments and I agree with you to a point. I can understand Elizabeth Vidal being so stressed out that she couldn't handle anything more, what I can't understand is why she just didn't fire Hugh. All she had to do was that ONE thing and even is she didn't do anything else, it would have at least limited the damage that Gideon suffered.

    I am sorry, I simply do not buy that whole overwhelmed thing, so the way to solve the problem of a child acting out is to send them back to the person that the child had DIRECTLY made allegations against!!

    I can completely understand STRESS!! I can understand a woman being on the verge of completely being overwhelmed, what I don't understand is why this woman had NO mothering instincts toward her own child?!! What in the sam-hill could she have been thinking???

    It may be a stretch but I have to wonder whether on some subconscious level, Elizabeth Vidal was punishing Gideon because he resembled/in some way represented a part of the husband who hurt so many people and destroyed her family and life. I also have to wonder whether she may have been a little resentful of having to cart around a child from a previous marriage when she was trying to build "a new ideal life and family"?

    I realize that I have advocated for waiting to hear about Elizabeth Vidal's past, but the more that woman opens her mouth, the less I like her even more! She crucified one child while offering protection to her two other children. If that's not disgusting then I don't know what is!! The woman had the wherewithal, money, means and family support and SHE chose NOT to avail herself of that help. SICK!!

    I just wanted to add that yes, I know this story is fictional. I think that the issues that have been raised in this book are unfortunately all-too-real and I find it weary some that there seem to be more excuses than action to end these types of scenarios. Thank you for your posting Kirsten.

    Hi GiGi,

    I didn't say that Elizabeth was overwhelmed. All I was trying to say was that Elizabeth was unable to deal with that fact that Gideon was being abused and this abuse had taken place right under her nose. Is there any excuse for it? Of course not. I wasn't trying to justify Elizabeth's actions at all. She'd rather see her son continue to be abused by a therapist she's welcomed into her home than admit that things in her life are much less than perfect. It's disturbing.

  4. I hope the book will be released within the summer 2015. I don't know if Sylvia follows our discussion, but must be quite entertaining for her as well.

    Hi Ann. Sylvia drops by from time to time to say hi answer questions and chat. The last time was at the end of October (I think) so she does follow along. As for a release date I'm hoping by May since OWY is already written, but only time will tell.

  5. To add to this: As far as I can tell, nowhere does it say for sure Cary has seen a photo of Anne Lucas, has had her name mentioned to him. Certainly, he hasn't been warned she is a threat.

    It was Eva on her own at her office the morning after the run-in with Terry Lucas at the fundraiser who Googled him. she guessed correctly there must have been a woman involved for the two men to hate each other so much. Eva was worried about brunettes (yah think!) and was relieved to find Terry was married and his wife has red hair. That's early in RIY. Later toward the end of RIY when Eva decided to go after Terry, she asked Cary to look him up as a pediatrician. Just Terry. There's barely any mention in that chapter of what Cary found about Terry and no mention of Anne. It was Gideon who told Eva in EWT that Anne is a shrink. Toward the end of CBY Gideon warned Eva about her, but I can't find any evidence anyone has warned Cary yet.

    I don't know whether or not Cary has been warned, but he is aware that Dr. Lucas' wife is a shrink. In EWY Cary says, "Hey, remember how you asked me to do some digging on the Good Doctor Lucas? So far, I’ve come up with a whole lotta nada. He doesn’t seem to do much else besides work. No kids. Wife is a doctor, too. A shrink.â€

  6. I just want to make a general comment about Elizabeth. I feel like her admitting that Gideon was abused would be tantamount to admitting that she on some level failed him, and in her mind that would have made her a bad parent. It's much easier to think your troubled son is lying than to think that you've been blind to something of this magnitude going on in your child's life. Do I agree that it was her fault he was being abused...no. But like Eva stated the minute Elizabeth found out and didn't believe him she became just as guilty.

  7. I would like to see her take out Chris Jr too

    Maybe I'm nuts, but I'd like to believe that we've heard pretty much the end of Brett. That showdown at their 'picnic' lunch spoke volumes and what need would Eva have to ever see him again? I'm with you Ann. Let's breakout the Krav Maga on Christopher. I can see him stepping out of line with Eva and her not being afraid to put him back in his d*mn place.

  8. Brett still has the video of him and Eva having hot sex. What if he thinks her seeing it would make her remember how great things were sexually during their brief relationship? He's cocky enough (pun intended) to think he's the best she ever had and no way can Gideon satisfy her like that. He pretty much said so in Gideon's office. I think if he ever did show Eva the tape it would backfire horribly for him. It also could be healing in a way for Eva to see the desperate and messed up young woman she used to be before Dr. Travis started helping her to get her head on straight.

    I was under the impression that the only hard copy left of the s*x tape was the one Gideon has. Didn't Gideon have all other copies wiped?

  9. Yes, it shows great trust. I get why he needs to take control, with his traumas in mind. When he's got little experience of being "dominated" in a positive way (non abusive), it will be overwhelming with Eva when he learns how good it can be. And that must be intense for him with so many mixed feelings. He also said that he should have let Eva go, mainly because he's a wreck and can't cover all her needs. He doesn't see himself as any boyfriend material. By that he doesn't deserve as much pleasure, I meant that many victims struggles with their self esteem, and the shame overshadows the feeling of being worthy love and pleasure. It's difficult to enjoy the intimacy and closeness when they are disgusted with their own body, mind/ memories, therefore it's easier to focus on their partner.

    I've hardly practiced my English in years, so bear over with me haha, sometimes it's hard to express myself correctly.

    I LOVE Crossfire so badly, and I'm so happy to see that I'm not alone craving for it :)

    I hadn't realized English wasn't your native language Ann so you've been doing great.
  10. Interesting comments and I share many of your thoughts D500 :)

    If he associate anger with s*x, his reaction towards Eva (when he overheard Eva and Chris Sr) is quite normal/ following his own pattern?! He also refers that he wants to punish Eva... To control /express his emotions he has to do something physically, like s*x and MMA. According to him being more aware of her in bed than himself, it could be that he feels he doesn't deserve it as much? When Eva takes control, it almost seems overwhelming for him?! Maybe he's experience is based on being the giver rather the receiver. For example he said that before Eva he took girls to the fu**pad that were preying on him (can't remember literally) so he could dominante them instead... That would give him a psychological satisfaction, and perhaps more than sexually!?

    Not sure I made ant sense with what I just wrote lol

    I completely agree with you that Sylvia is an amazing author! Like I tell my friends, there's a lot more to the books than the erotic parts. I have several books of Sylvia Day, although Crossfire series is my all-time favorite (have them both in Norwegian and English).

    Just to touch on Gideon being overwhelmed by Eva taking control during sex it in my opinion is literally a control issue. Being an abuse survivor Gideon has probably vowed to never not be in control sexually again. He was taken advantage of by someone who 'dominated' him. By being with all these women who are physically aggressive Gideon has been able to bring them to the f*ckpad and dominate them. Show them that they are at his mercy physically. While at the same time it mentally reminded Gideon that he was never going to be a victim again. Eva in the limo that very first time called the shots. It was the first time Gideon allowed someone else to control the when and the how. He broke his rules. To use one of Eva's lines he took a calculated risk by allowing her to 'top' him. For someone with his issues that is HUGE. It speaks volumes to the connection he felt with her and trust he had already begun to place in her.

  11. Hi Shan12,

    Welcome to the forum. :)

    I read your comments and it is my understanding that if a person has tried to commit suicide, they may be held on a 72 hour referral. At that time, a person would be assessed as to whether he or she would pose an immediate risk to his/herself or the public. If Corinne played her cards well, didn't act up or out, if there was some concern as to whether she had an adverse reaction to the medication that she was prescribed (i.e. the medication made her suicidal, etc.) and she agreed to an out-patient type of therapy, I think it would be very difficult for a hospital to force Corinne to remain there.

    A family member, hospital staff/legal department would have to apply to the court to have her admitted against her will. All parties would have to justify the reasons and the immediate danger that Corinne would place on herself and the public. Given the circumstances at hand, I can't see that happening. Forcing a person into treatment/hospital setting against their will in Canada is extremely difficult at best. I don't think that the US would be much different.

    You're correct GiGi about the 72 hour hold. On top of that the psychiatrist would make the call as to whether or not the patient can be released and if we are correct in assuming Anne is the therapist here she obviously wouldn't think twice about releasing Corrine.

  12. Hi Shan12,

    Welcome to the forum. :)

    I read your comments and it is my understanding that if a person has tried to commit suicide, they may be held on a 72 hour referral. At that time, a person would be assessed as to whether he or she would pose an immediate risk to his/herself or the public. If Corinne played her cards well, didn't act up or out, if there was some concern as to whether she had an adverse reaction to the medication that she was prescribed (i.e. the medication made her suicidal, etc.) and she agreed to an out-patient type of therapy, I think it would be very difficult for a hospital to force Corinne to remain there.

    A family member, hospital staff/legal department would have to apply to the court to have her admitted against her will. All parties would have to justify the reasons and the immediate danger that Corinne would place on herself and the public. Given the circumstances at hand, I can't see that happening. Forcing a person into treatment/hospital setting against their will in Canada is extremely difficult at best. I don't think that the US would be much different.

    You're correct GiGi about the 72 hour hold. On top of that the psychiatrist would make the call as to whether or not the patient can be released and if we are correct in assuming Anne is the therapist here she obviously wouldn't think twice about releasing Corrine.

  13. I urge anyone who hasnt tried the Audible version of the series to at least give CBY a try. The scene with Chris Vidal and Gideon in the penthouse was the most dramatic of all the scenes so far IMO. The dialogue was riveting and the narrator does a fine job of conveying all the emotion from both men. It was really hard to listen to but at the same time you didnt want to miss a word.

    Agreed! It's my favorite scene in the whole book.

  14. Hi Everyone,

    I was thinking about what everyone has said about Eva not wanting to be like her mother or a Trophy wife and I guess my question would be; what constitutes being a trophy wife? If we look at the facts; Eva is employed-Monica is not. Eva is a University graduate-is Monica? Eva married for love; Monica married (or has married in the past) for money? Eva puts up a fight and has no problem expressing her opinions like/dislike-does Monica do the same?

    I am not sure that Eva has given herself enough credit to realize that she is far from being a trophy wife. What does everyone else think?

    I totally agree on all counts GiGi. I also think that Gideon values having someone who challenges him. Who has an opinion for lack of a better word. If he wanted a trophy he could have easily married Corrine or even Magdalena.

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