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Hi Everyone, I am new to this. I have read both books. Would someone be able to help me out with the scene when Gideon and Eva were at Dr Peterson's office and Gideon pulled Eva in the hallway and gave her a look, what did that look mean? I believe it was at the end of Chapter 8.

 

Hi Sassy1,

Welcome to the forum. :) I agree with ShyCharm and the others. Earlier on Eva had told Gideon that she loved him and again during the therapy appointment. I think when Gideon excused them both, it was his way of saying I love you too. :)

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Throwing out for discussion today Gideon's hastily thrown together plan of giving the appearance he dumped Eva and how the plan didn't go according to his control-freak expectations. Here's a timeline based on the plan starting after Gideon and Eva returned from their weekend in North Carolina, because Sylvia revealed that taking Eva away for the weekend had not been part of that plan.

 

Friday night: Gideon and Eva leave for North Carolina after the concert. Sometime that same night, Cary was attacked.

Over the weekend, Monica tries phoning Eva and Gideon, but they're both out of phone contact the whole time.

Sunday night just before midnight: they arrive home and Gideon gets his phone message about Cary.

Monday morning, before the workday starts: Gideon sees Eva at the hospital, tells her he spoke to her boss so she doesn't have to go to work that day, and leaves for work himself. As he's walking away, he takes a phone call from someone (his security team?)

Monday night: Gideon takes Corrine to dinner at Tableau One, his friend's restaurant, making sure they sit at a front table and a picture gets taken. He doesn't go to the hospital after work nor call Eva that night.

Tuesday morning: Eva notices he hasn't called/texted in almost 24 hours. She leaves the hospital to go to work. Gideon freaks when he learns she left the hospital, calls her angrily, has Angus pick her up on the way, and calls him to make sure he's got her.

Tuesday lunchtime: Eva finds, via Google alert, an online picture of Gideon with Corrine the night before. By co-incidence, Brett shows up at Crossfire looking to talk to Eva. She forwards the photo to Gideon's email, and she takes Brett to lunch. Before lunch is even over, Gideon finds out.

Tuesday after lunch: When she tried returning to her office, the elevator takes her up to Gideon's floor, and they argue in the hallway. During the fight, he demands she eat lunch at her desk moving forward. She knows something's wrong, but he refuses to say what. As she leaves and the elevator doors close, he says "Trust me." 

Tuesday after work: She goes to the hospital. She calls Gideon at home, and he cuts the conversation short, but not before she figures out he's not alone. She fears maybe Corrine's there. In fact, Gideon was meeting his security people there (Sylvia posted this.)

Wednesday: in the morning at the hospital, Dr. Lucas poisons her mind about how Gideon is treating her. Midday she has her weekly lunch with her boss Mark and his boyfriend Steve. When she gets back, she gets another angry call from Gideon about not following his orders to eat at her desk. "Are we done," she asks him, a question with double meaning.

Wednesday night/early Thursday: she sends him a distraught email about how hurt she is over Corrine. He shows up in the middle of the night and makes love to her all night, but in the dark. She asks why he's acting the way he is, and he responds, "It has to be this way." He leaves before she wakes up. 

Thursday daytime: She attends a meeting about the vodka campaign. He ignores her completely in front of her boss Mark and one of the agency owners. She later calls him, and he promises to meet her at Dr. Petersen's office for their weekly therapy appointment.

Thursday night: he blows off the appointment and instead parties with Corrine at the vodka publicity mixer held at the hotel where he used to take women (including Corrine years ago.) A picture of them huddled close together is taken by the press. Note: Sylvia later posted the publicity mixer was separate from the agency work on the account, which is why Eva's boss Mark hadn't known about it.

Thursday night/Friday morning: Nathan is murdered Thursday night in his hotel room, a building Gideon owns and is within 15 minutes walking distance of the vodka party. His body is found Friday morning.

Friday daytime: Eva picks up her Dad at the airport before work (refusing a ride from Gideon's other driver, Raul, and telling Raul to tell his boss to "go #&@! himself.") 

Friday night: Dinner at Eva's. Gideon and Eva both tense, but he tries a couple of times to touch her, only to have her freeze him out. The police show up, and Eva finds out Nathan is dead. The police ask Gideon whether he knows Nathan. "You wouldn't be asking that question if you didn't already know the answer," he tells the cops in front of Eva. But he won't answer in front of her where he was that night. Downstairs, he gives some sort of answer about where he was Thursday night. When he comes back up, Eva refuses to talk to him; instead, she locks herself in her bedroom. She assumes (correctly) he had been with Corrine Thursday night.

Saturday morning: Her mother shows up at her apartment (while her father is out running.) She tells Eva about Nathan - that he had photos/video of her and tried blackmailing Stanton. Eva guesses correctly Gideon saw the pictures too. Her Dad arrives back, Monica leaves, and then her Dad shows her online the photo of Gideon and Corrine on Thursday night at "that" hotel.

The break-up: Gideon is at the police station (we find out much later) when she calls him on his cell phone. Confirms he saw the pictures Nathan had of her. Calls him terrible things for not having the decency to end it with her before he started sleeping with Corrine again. But tells him she understands why he can't bear to be with her anymore because of those photos. (We find out much later that Detective Graves watched him take that call and that he looks like someone just died. She guesses that call was Eva dumping him, something she later confirms from Eva herself.)

 

My basic theories about things Gideon counted on happening:

  • That press photos of him out to dinner Corrine on Monday and snuggled up with her at a hotel party Thursday provided proof he was spending intimate time with her.
  • Him publicly cutting Eva out of his life would be bolstered by gossip from his good friend Arnoldo (who owns the restaurant) and by Eva's own coworkers. 
  • He did still plan to secretly spend time with her at her apartment. Even with Corrine in the picture, Eva would hold on and settle for pieces of him.
  • He counted on her not running away on him this time, because she'd already broken that habit.
  • He counted on the cops buying his alibi and quickly crossing him off the suspect list.
  • Once the coast was clear, he'd start making up to Eva all the hurt he caused.
  • She was never, ever to know he killed Nathan.

 

Things he didn't count on as various parts of his plans blew up in his face:

  • Her dumping him. She'd warned him that he could push her away, but he didn't take it seriously enough, just like he hadn't at first taken seriously enough her warnings about her jealous nature.
  • Her finding out about the photos Nathan had and wrongly assumed they were the tipping point for him ending their sexual relationship.
  • The cops figuring out so quickly ties Nathan had to him, Eva and Stanton. So quickly they ended up coming to her apartment the Friday night Gideon was at her place meeting her father.
  • The cops aggressively trying to break his alibi, thus it being too dangerous to see Eva or even phone her.
  • Brett staying in the picture by going to lunch with Eva and later giving a radio interview he wanted to get back together with her.
  • The detective telling Eva about how and why they believe Gideon murdered Nathan.

 

OK, fellow posters, jump in.

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Throwing out for discussion today Gideon's hastily thrown together plan of giving the appearance he dumped Eva and how the plan didn't go according to his control-freak expectations. Here's a timeline based on the plan starting after Gideon and Eva returned from their weekend in North Carolina, because Sylvia revealed that taking Eva away for the weekend had not been part of that plan.

Friday night: Gideon and Eva leave for North Carolina after the concert. Sometime that same night, Cary was attacked.

Over the weekend, Monica tries phoning Eva and Gideon, but they're both out of phone contact the whole time.

Sunday night just before midnight: they arrive home and Gideon gets his phone message about Cary.

Monday morning, before the workday starts: Gideon sees Eva at the hospital, tells her he spoke to her boss so she doesn't have to go to work that day, and leaves for work himself. As he's walking away, he takes a phone call from someone (his security team?)

Monday night: Gideon takes Corrine to dinner at Tableau One, his friend's restaurant, making sure they sit at a front table and a picture gets taken. He doesn't go to the hospital after work nor call Eva that night.

Tuesday morning: Eva notices he hasn't called/texted in almost 24 hours. She leaves the hospital to go to work. Gideon freaks when he learns she left the hospital, calls her angrily, has Angus pick her up on the way, and calls him to make sure he's got her.

Tuesday lunchtime: Eva finds, via Google alert, an online picture of Gideon with Corrine the night before. By co-incidence, Brett shows up at Crossfire looking to talk to Eva. She forwards the photo to Gideon's email, and she takes Brett to lunch. Before lunch is even over, Gideon finds out.

Tuesday after lunch: When she tried returning to her office, the elevator takes her up to Gideon's floor, and they argue in the hallway. During the fight, he demands she eat lunch at her desk moving forward. She knows something's wrong, but he refuses to say what. As she leaves and the elevator doors close, he says "Trust me."

Tuesday after work: She goes to the hospital. She calls Gideon at home, and he cuts the conversation short, but not before she figures out he's not alone. She fears maybe Corrine's there. In fact, Gideon was meeting his security people there (Sylvia posted this.)

Wednesday: in the morning at the hospital, Dr. Lucas poisons her mind about how Gideon is treating her. Midday she has her weekly lunch with her boss Mark and his boyfriend Steve. When she gets back, she gets another angry call from Gideon about not following his orders to eat at her desk. "Are we done," she asks him, a question with double meaning.

Wednesday night/early Thursday: she sends him a distraught email about how hurt she is over Corrine. He shows up in the middle of the night and makes love to her all night, but in the dark. She asks why he's acting the way he is, and he responds, "It has to be this way." He leaves before she wakes up.

Thursday daytime: She attends a meeting about the vodka campaign. He ignores her completely in front of her boss Mark and one of the agency owners. She later calls him, and he promises to meet her at Dr. Petersen's office for their weekly therapy appointment.

Thursday night: he blows off the appointment and instead parties with Corrine at the vodka publicity mixer held at the hotel where he used to take women (including Corrine years ago.) A picture of them huddled close together is taken by the press. Note: Sylvia later posted the publicity mixer was separate from the agency work on the account, which is why Eva's boss Mark hadn't known about it.

Thursday night/Friday morning: Nathan is murdered Thursday night in his hotel room, a building Gideon owns and is within 15 minutes walking distance of the vodka party. His body is found Friday morning.

Friday daytime: Eva picks up her Dad at the airport before work (refusing a ride from Gideon's other driver, Raul, and telling Raul to tell his boss to "go #&@! himself.")

Friday night: Dinner at Eva's. Gideon and Eva both tense, but he tries a couple of times to touch her, only to have her freeze him out. The police show up, and Eva finds out Nathan is dead. The police ask Gideon whether he knows Nathan. "You wouldn't be asking that question if you didn't already know the answer," he tells the cops in front of Eva. But he won't answer in front of her where he was that night. Downstairs, he gives some sort of answer about where he was Thursday night. When he comes back up, Eva refuses to talk to him; instead, she locks herself in her bedroom. She assumes (correctly) he had been with Corrine Thursday night.

Saturday morning: Her mother shows up at her apartment (while her father is out running.) She tells Eva about Nathan - that he had photos/video of her and tried blackmailing Stanton. Eva guesses correctly Gideon saw the pictures too. Her Dad arrives back, Monica leaves, and then her Dad shows her online the photo of Gideon and Corrine on Thursday night at "that" hotel.

The break-up: Gideon is at the police station (we find out much later) when she calls him on his cell phone. Confirms he saw the pictures Nathan had of her. Calls him terrible things for not having the decency to end it with her before he started sleeping with Corrine again. But tells him she understands why he can't bear to be with her anymore because of those photos. (We find out much later that Detective Graves watched him take that call and that he looks like someone just died. She guesses that call was Eva dumping him, something she later confirms from Eva herself.)

My basic theories about things Gideon counted on happening:

  • That press photos of him out to dinner Corrine on Monday and snuggled up with her at a hotel party Thursday provided proof he was spending intimate time with her.
  • Him publicly cutting Eva out of his life would be bolstered by gossip from his good friend Arnoldo (who owns the restaurant) and by Eva's own coworkers.
  • He did still plan to secretly spend time with her at her apartment. Even with Corrine in the picture, Eva would hold on and settle for pieces of him.
  • He counted on her not running away on him this time, because she'd already broken that habit.
  • He counted on the cops buying his alibi and quickly crossing him off the suspect list.
  • Once the coast was clear, he'd start making up to Eva all the hurt he caused.
  • She was never, ever to know he killed Nathan.

Things he didn't count on as various parts of his plans blew up in his face:

  • Her dumping him. She'd warned him that he could push her away, but he didn't take it seriously enough, just like he hadn't at first taken seriously enough her warnings about her jealous nature.
  • Her finding out about the photos Nathan had and wrongly assumed they were the tipping point for him ending their sexual relationship.
  • The cops figuring out so quickly ties Nathan had to him, Eva and Stanton. So quickly they ended up coming to her apartment the Friday night Gideon was at her place meeting her father.
  • The cops aggressively trying to break his alibi, thus it being too dangerous to see Eva or even phone her.
  • Brett staying in the picture by going to lunch with Eva and later giving a radio interview he wanted to get back together with her.
  • The detective telling Eva about how and why they believe Gideon murdered Nathan.

OK, fellow posters, jump in.

I agree & to add, he didn't expect Eva to give him back the ring. Confront his mother, try to get answeres on her own & in doing so she confronts Corinne & Dr.Lucas. Gideon had to stop the distance thing to figure out what she was doing & they were seen by a cop, so if they go back & investigate more they will see that. And to top it all off,I know few didn't expect Eva to tell him she was going to marry him. I'm looking forward to reading EWY and whatever the fourth book, will be called. I'm sure there will be another book, I just hope we don't have to wait to long after EWY to get it. I hope Sylvia Day is about done with it, then she can finish the dream guardians. :-)

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Thanks for the timeline, LN Cronan, that really helps keep things in perspective. So looking at the timeline brought a question to my mind.

 

Since it appears Gideon was trying to give the appearance of being broken-up with Eva, why did he go to dinner at her house on that Friday? I know he wanted to meet her dad but surely he knew Nathan's body would be found and with all the pictures of Eva laying around the cops would seek her out first. Wasn't he worried about the cops finding him at Eva's in the mist of a family dinner?

 

Then Eva breaking up with Gideon after the fact makes his running around with Corinne pointless. Especially when he had such a noticable reaction at the police station. I would think the cops would see his heartbreak and then guess his motive was for the woman he loves and be able to put it together that Gideon was just trying to make them think he was involved with Corinne which should have raised and waved a red flag over his head "big time!"???

 

Then after that he went back to worrying about being seen with Eva - doesn't make sense - and, add to that he still had his driver trying to give her rides only reinforces that the ties between them weren't fully cut.

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mrsmajessick: Sylvia Day cleared that up when it was asked why Gideon still went to dinner & she said G gideon knew how important it was & knew that if he didn't show, that Eva would never forgive him. The fact stills remain that they all had a solid alibi for the time of Nathan's murder so what they officer say want stand up in a court of law. They need solid evidence & they know they will never have it.

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Thanks for the timeline, LN Cronan, that really helps keep things in perspective. So looking at the timeline brought a question to my mind.

 

Since it appears Gideon was trying to give the appearance of being broken-up with Eva, why did he go to dinner at her house on that Friday? I know he wanted to meet her dad but surely he knew Nathan's body would be found and with all the pictures of Eva laying around the cops would seek her out first. Wasn't he worried about the cops finding him at Eva's in the mist of a family dinner?

 

Then Eva breaking up with Gideon after the fact makes his running around with Corinne pointless. Especially when he had such a noticable reaction at the police station. I would think the cops would see his heartbreak and then guess his motive was for the woman he loves and be able to put it together that Gideon was just trying to make them think he was involved with Corinne which should have raised and waved a red flag over his head "big time!"???

 

Then after that he went back to worrying about being seen with Eva - doesn't make sense - and, add to that he still had his driver trying to give her rides only reinforces that the ties between them weren't fully cut.

 

Gideon ought never to have answered his cell phone at the police station. He left the room, but Detective Graves watched him, watched his face. Right then and there, he blew his cover story he no longer wanted Eva, had already broken up with her and had already gone back to his former fiance. That cover story was supposed to have removed his motive for killing Nathan - why would Gideon kill a man over a woman he no longer loved, maybe never loved.

 

I think the detective seeing his face confirmed her suspicion Gideon killed Nathan. And it explains why she kept attempting to break his alibi. To Eva, she admitted that she (Graves) went back three times to question the staff of the hotel where the vodka party took place Thursday night before she finally found out a small kitchen fire disrupted the place for about an hour sometime that evening.

 

As for having Angus offer Eva rides, well that could be accounted for by guilt. And after all, there's video of Angus picking up Corrine outside the Crossfire just after she got back to town but prior to Gideon going out with her again. 

 

Gideon was very careful about approaching Eva after he came under suspicion. Only three times did he go near her: 1. cornering her in an elevator at Crossfire to place the promise ring back on her hand and ask her to "wait." 2. following her to Dr. Lucas' office in the face of her going after people she blamed for contributing to Gideon's issues (his mother a few nights prior, Corrine first thing that morning, and now Dr. Lucas.) 3. meeting with her out of sight in the security office at Crossfire right after she came back from having lunch with Christopher. When she asked Gideon why the hiding in the office, his answer was "plausible deniability."

 

Meeting number two was more carelessness on Gideon's part, being seen with Eva publicly, including taking her for a ride in his car. Indeed, a beat cop interrupted a close embrace between them as Eva was comforting Gideon who had just spoken for the first time about the abuse in his past. I wonder whether the cop ran the plate, and that got back to Detective Graves too.

 

It also was super risky of him to go through with meeting Eva's father at her apartment Friday evening. Nathan's body was found that morning, and Gideon would have known that sooner or later, the cops would approach Eva. He miscalculated how soon, and so the situation blew up in his face. When the detectives started questioning him about his whereabouts the night before, he hustled them out of the apartment and went downstairs with them

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WOW! LN I didn't even think about how his answering his phone @ the station would appear. Now I definitely think they're being set up. Why wouldn't the police tell Gideon and the Stantons they were dropping the case?

You guys are good!

I think I'll go to sleep now and not wake up until June 4th.

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The Crossfire series is romance, and romance ultimately ends happily. Maybe the luggage tags on the cover of Entwined signify a honeymoon ending (literally). But for right now, the early glimpses we have of Entwined involve Gideon and Eva back together but hiding their relationship. Which is very romantic in its own way, secret love. And meeting illicitly means really hot sex too.

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I been on the wedding page every since Eva told him she was going to marry him. Now we just have to wait to see what book it will be in. It will also be nice to see how things play out with his mom & see how they get rid of Brett & Corinne. We have alot to look forward to.

Of course they'll have to get married. It'll just show that they are permanently together other than by just boyfriend/girlfriend title. If there is another book then I have a feeling we will not hear wedding bells until the next novel.

Yeah I want to see how things play out with the mom as well, if she knew the whole time or if she really believed the doctors and that Gideon was lying.

I love Brett honestly, he brought some external drama to the relationship and I thought he was pretty funny. Still team Eva/Gideon though.

I never really thought about Corinne, it will be pretty interesting to see how we get rid of her. Wasn't she like a childhood or teenager friend?

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I know it seems romantic to hide but i lived them in the open when she used to go to her google act and see pics of them together i live them in the open and i truly hope gideon fights eith corrine and cuts her off totally i dint want this to drag out they have to hide 😢😰 i luv these two togrther

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WOW! LN I didn't even think about how his answering his phone @ the station would appear. Now I definitely think they're being set up. Why wouldn't the police tell Gideon and the Stantons they were dropping the case?

You guys are good!

I think I'll go to sleep now and not wake up until June 4th.

 

So why the heck did Gideon do something so stupid as to answer his cell phone while at the police station, knowing from the caller ID that Eva was phoning her apartment. I think for the same reason he later chased Eva to Dr. Lucas' office when she was on her crusade to go after people in his past. And definitely the same reason why he sneaked into her apartment, though it was dangerous to do so, in the Entwined excerpt/snippets we've seen.

 

The answer, I believe, lies in the one glimpse we've seen into Gideon's head, in the special New Year's teaser Sylvia gave. He had to know if something that happened had torn them apart for good. "I couldn't wait. Not knowing was ripping me apart."

 

The phone call: The risk Gideon had taken going to Eva's the night before to meet her Dad blew up in his face when the cops showed up and asked him right in front of her if he knew Nathan. And then when they asked where he'd been the night before, he refused to say in front of her, instead opting to talk to them downstairs. I'm sure he hoped Eva wouldn't ever find out Nathan approached him with blackmail material. And he probably had hoped to brush off as just a social function the party he'd been at with Corrine the night before. (Really stupid: he asked Eva to quit looking for gossip/pictures online, as if she would.) But being put on the spot to explaining his whereabouts in front of her and refusing to do so led her to conclude the worst. The last he saw of her the night before, she'd wordlessly shut her bedroom door in his face. Now the next day, he needed to know how badly she was taking the night before. And boy did he get his answer too. She assumed all the worst, and she ended their relationship because of it.

 

Going after her later in Reflected: first he finds out Eva read his mother the riot act for failing him as a child. He's still mulling that over two days later when he gets caught red-handed by Eva escorting Corrine out of the Crossfire (a move I'm sure was simply for the benefit of security camera footage. He thought the coast was clear because Eva left for the day, but instead of going home she went to buy candy and walked back toward Crossfire at the wrong moment.) Eva gets angry and flips him off. Next morning, she shows up unannounced at Corrine's door, and she next heads straight to Dr. Lucas' office. Via GPS tracking of the Bentley, Gideon knows where she's been going, and he may have even gotten an angry call from Corrine. He had to know why Eva was going around stirring up people. And he had to see her in person right away to judge by her reactions to him what half-truths or even lies Corrine and/or Lucas told Eva. This all led to a semi-reconciliation as he found out she was being an avenging angel, but she also made it clear his continued silence meant she was moving on with her life instead of waiting for him. He opened up some, and in return she agreed to wait for him to come back to her.

 

At her apartment, the evening she'd found out from the cops all about how and why they believe Gideon murdered Nathan. Keeping in mind that not all of us are in the Gideon-did-it camp and we may be in for some huge Entwined plot twists, what little info we have right now points to Gideon having done it. And him being desolate she now knew, because he never, ever wanted Eva to know he'd committed murder. He feared he'd lose her forever if she found out. Now she had, and he needed to know if all his hopes of getting her back were ruined beyond repair.

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Gideon ought never to have answered his cell phone at the police station. He left the room, but Detective Graves watched him, watched his face. Right then and there, he blew his cover story he no longer wanted Eva, had already broken up with her and had already gone back to his former fiance. That cover story was supposed to have removed his motive for killing Nathan - why would Gideon kill a man over a woman he no longer loved, maybe never loved.

 

I think the detective seeing his face confirmed her suspicion Gideon killed Nathan. And it explains why she kept attempting to break his alibi. To Eva, she admitted that she (Graves) went back three times to question the staff of the hotel where the vodka party took place Thursday night before she finally found out a small kitchen fire disrupted the place for about an hour sometime that evening.

 

As for having Angus offer Eva rides, well that could be accounted for by guilt. And after all, there's video of Angus picking up Corrine outside the Crossfire just after she got back to town but prior to Gideon going out with her again. 

 

Gideon was very careful about approaching Eva after he came under suspicion. Only three times did he go near her: 1. cornering her in an elevator at Crossfire to place the promise ring back on her hand and ask her to "wait." 2. following her to Dr. Lucas' office in the face of her going after people she blamed for contributing to Gideon's issues (his mother a few nights prior, Corrine first thing that morning, and now Dr. Lucas.) 3. meeting with her out of sight in the security office at Crossfire right after she came back from having lunch with Christopher. When she asked Gideon why the hiding in the office, his answer was "plausible deniability."

 

Meeting number two was more carelessness on Gideon's part, being seen with Eva publicly, including taking her for a ride in his car. Indeed, a beat cop interrupted a close embrace between them as Eva was comforting Gideon who had just spoken for the first time about the abuse in his past. I wonder whether the cop ran the plate, and that got back to Detective Graves too.

 

It also was super risky of him to go through with meeting Eva's father at her apartment Friday evening. Nathan's body was found that morning, and Gideon would have known that sooner or later, the cops would approach Eva. He miscalculated how soon, and so the situation blew up in his face. When the detectives started questioning him about his whereabouts the night before, he hustled them out of the apartment and went downstairs with them

 

Hi LN Cronan,

I have read all of your previous postings and I have to ask one question; is it possible that Detective Greaves was lying to Eva when she said that Gideon answered his phone at the police station? I am not so sure that she is telling the truth and you have clearly stated in many postings that Detectives lie. They lie all the time in hopes of tripping up suspects. I don’t know if the detective would have had enough evidence to get a search warrant and subpoena Gideon’s phone records. I keep thinking that because of Gideon’s social status and the fact that thus far, they couldn’t connect Gideon to a thing that there is no way they would have had a copy of Gideon’s phone records. It is just a thought. What does everyone think?

In response to your comment that Gideon blew his cover because of his facial expression, could the argument be made that Gideon had a very painful breakup with Eva, hence the pained look on her face. After all Eva stepped out of the relationship boundaries when she kissed Brett at the concert and surely there must have been dozens of witnesses that could attest to that. This entire scenario could be interpreted as poor boyfriend completely loves his girlfriend but she cheats and it crushes him. In an attempt for self preservation, he breaks up with her, but he is outwardly hurt because he really loved this woman. What do you think?

I don’t understand what your point is about Angus? Could you please explain? Thanks. :)

I think that the argument for Eva meeting Gideon’s little sister could be made that this was get together that was already prearranged. Gideon had promised his little sister that she could go into the city with him and have a special evening out with him and some of his friends. Gideon couldn’t say no to his little sister. It is just a thought. What do you/everyone think?

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Throwing out for discussion today Gideon's hastily thrown together plan of giving the appearance he dumped Eva and how the plan didn't go according to his control-freak expectations. Here's a timeline based on the plan starting after Gideon and Eva returned from their weekend in North Carolina, because Sylvia revealed that taking Eva away for the weekend had not been part of that plan.

 

Friday night: Gideon and Eva leave for North Carolina after the concert. Sometime that same night, Cary was attacked.

Over the weekend, Monica tries phoning Eva and Gideon, but they're both out of phone contact the whole time.

Sunday night just before midnight: they arrive home and Gideon gets his phone message about Cary.

Monday morning, before the workday starts: Gideon sees Eva at the hospital, tells her he spoke to her boss so she doesn't have to go to work that day, and leaves for work himself. As he's walking away, he takes a phone call from someone (his security team?)

Monday night: Gideon takes Corrine to dinner at Tableau One, his friend's restaurant, making sure they sit at a front table and a picture gets taken. He doesn't go to the hospital after work nor call Eva that night.

Tuesday morning: Eva notices he hasn't called/texted in almost 24 hours. She leaves the hospital to go to work. Gideon freaks when he learns she left the hospital, calls her angrily, has Angus pick her up on the way, and calls him to make sure he's got her.

Tuesday lunchtime: Eva finds, via Google alert, an online picture of Gideon with Corrine the night before. By co-incidence, Brett shows up at Crossfire looking to talk to Eva. She forwards the photo to Gideon's email, and she takes Brett to lunch. Before lunch is even over, Gideon finds out.

Tuesday after lunch: When she tried returning to her office, the elevator takes her up to Gideon's floor, and they argue in the hallway. During the fight, he demands she eat lunch at her desk moving forward. She knows something's wrong, but he refuses to say what. As she leaves and the elevator doors close, he says "Trust me." 

Tuesday after work: She goes to the hospital. She calls Gideon at home, and he cuts the conversation short, but not before she figures out he's not alone. She fears maybe Corrine's there. In fact, Gideon was meeting his security people there (Sylvia posted this.)

Wednesday: in the morning at the hospital, Dr. Lucas poisons her mind about how Gideon is treating her. Midday she has her weekly lunch with her boss Mark and his boyfriend Steve. When she gets back, she gets another angry call from Gideon about not following his orders to eat at her desk. "Are we done," she asks him, a question with double meaning.

Wednesday night/early Thursday: she sends him a distraught email about how hurt she is over Corrine. He shows up in the middle of the night and makes love to her all night, but in the dark. She asks why he's acting the way he is, and he responds, "It has to be this way." He leaves before she wakes up. 

Thursday daytime: She attends a meeting about the vodka campaign. He ignores her completely in front of her boss Mark and one of the agency owners. She later calls him, and he promises to meet her at Dr. Petersen's office for their weekly therapy appointment.

Thursday night: he blows off the appointment and instead parties with Corrine at the vodka publicity mixer held at the hotel where he used to take women (including Corrine years ago.) A picture of them huddled close together is taken by the press. Note: Sylvia later posted the publicity mixer was separate from the agency work on the account, which is why Eva's boss Mark hadn't known about it.

Thursday night/Friday morning: Nathan is murdered Thursday night in his hotel room, a building Gideon owns and is within 15 minutes walking distance of the vodka party. His body is found Friday morning.

Friday daytime: Eva picks up her Dad at the airport before work (refusing a ride from Gideon's other driver, Raul, and telling Raul to tell his boss to "go #&@! himself.") 

Friday night: Dinner at Eva's. Gideon and Eva both tense, but he tries a couple of times to touch her, only to have her freeze him out. The police show up, and Eva finds out Nathan is dead. The police ask Gideon whether he knows Nathan. "You wouldn't be asking that question if you didn't already know the answer," he tells the cops in front of Eva. But he won't answer in front of her where he was that night. Downstairs, he gives some sort of answer about where he was Thursday night. When he comes back up, Eva refuses to talk to him; instead, she locks herself in her bedroom. She assumes (correctly) he had been with Corrine Thursday night.

Saturday morning: Her mother shows up at her apartment (while her father is out running.) She tells Eva about Nathan - that he had photos/video of her and tried blackmailing Stanton. Eva guesses correctly Gideon saw the pictures too. Her Dad arrives back, Monica leaves, and then her Dad shows her online the photo of Gideon and Corrine on Thursday night at "that" hotel.

The break-up: Gideon is at the police station (we find out much later) when she calls him on his cell phone. Confirms he saw the pictures Nathan had of her. Calls him terrible things for not having the decency to end it with her before he started sleeping with Corrine again. But tells him she understands why he can't bear to be with her anymore because of those photos. (We find out much later that Detective Graves watched him take that call and that he looks like someone just died. She guesses that call was Eva dumping him, something she later confirms from Eva herself.)

 

My basic theories about things Gideon counted on happening:

  • That press photos of him out to dinner Corrine on Monday and snuggled up with her at a hotel party Thursday provided proof he was spending intimate time with her.
  • Him publicly cutting Eva out of his life would be bolstered by gossip from his good friend Arnoldo (who owns the restaurant) and by Eva's own coworkers. 
  • He did still plan to secretly spend time with her at her apartment. Even with Corrine in the picture, Eva would hold on and settle for pieces of him.
  • He counted on her not running away on him this time, because she'd already broken that habit.
  • He counted on the cops buying his alibi and quickly crossing him off the suspect list.
  • Once the coast was clear, he'd start making up to Eva all the hurt he caused.
  • She was never, ever to know he killed Nathan.
 

Things he didn't count on as various parts of his plans blew up in his face:

  • Her dumping him. She'd warned him that he could push her away, but he didn't take it seriously enough, just like he hadn't at first taken seriously enough her warnings about her jealous nature.
  • Her finding out about the photos Nathan had and wrongly assumed they were the tipping point for him ending their sexual relationship.
  • The cops figuring out so quickly ties Nathan had to him, Eva and Stanton. So quickly they ended up coming to her apartment the Friday night Gideon was at her place meeting her father.
  • The cops aggressively trying to break his alibi, thus it being too dangerous to see Eva or even phone her.
  • Brett staying in the picture by going to lunch with Eva and later giving a radio interview he wanted to get back together with her.
  • The detective telling Eva about how and why they believe Gideon murdered Nathan.
 

OK, fellow posters, jump in.

 

Hi LN Cronan,

Thank you for the detailed outline of your theory. I was just wondering where you got the information about Gideon meeting with his security team, etc.? Does Sylvia have a specific link that someone would have to click on to see the updates? If you could post that information somewhere or even the link, that would be great. Thanks in advance. :)

Now as to the comment that Gideon made to the detectives. He didn’t say anything other than the statement that he made. Could it be that once Gideon was out of earshot of everyone else, he turned to the detectives and said something along the lines of I’d be more than happy to come down to the police station and give you my statement with my lawyer. Let’s not forget that everyone else has “lawyered†up. I sincerely don’t think that Gideon is going to be the only one who gives a statement without the presence of his lawyers. Let’s also remember that Gideon wasn’t gone that long, so it certainly wouldn’t have been enough time for Gideon to start explaining his whereabouts. If he opened his mouth and said anything, the police would then have probable cause to haul him down to the police station and start asking questions. I just know that there is no way that he would do that (my opinion).

As for the Saturday morning account, I saw the scenario in a completely different light. It was Eva that told her mother about Nathan being dead and, in fact it was Eva that started the entire Nathan dialogue off “She raked a glance over my comfortable SDSU sweatpants and camisole before saying, “Eva. My. God. You have no idea-“ In that comment the reader is left to assume that Monica is talking about Eva’s choice of clothing. The reader could comfortably make that assertion because of all of the other interactions that Monica had with her daughter with regards to her looks, maintaining her looks-in hopes of finding a suitable partner, etc. It is Eva who starts the conversation off “Nathan’s dead.†I shut the door and nervously glanced nervously down the hallway at the guest bedroom….Monica’s response was “Oh…Have the police come by already? They only just left us.†I think that had Eva not said anything to her mother about this, her mother may not have said a word. Monica knew that Nathan was in town well before he was murdered and yet chose to say nothing. I posted about this in another forum but let’s just say the only person that was truly clueless as to what was going on was Eva.

When Eva saw the photos of Gideon and Corinne on Monday evening, She had already decided that it was time for them to have a break (take time apart/break up whatever). So this wasn’t news to her. I think that maybe her father bringing to her attention the obvious problems that she was having, just solidified what she already planning. Eva mentioned something about both she and Gideon were going to have to either recommit to their relationship or that it was going to be over. She never got the opportunity to discuss this with him, so she just went forward with the information she had.

I just quickly wanted to add;

• No mention was made if Arnoldo gossiped. The most that the reader can conclude is that if Arnoldo were questioned with regards to Gideon, he would be able to confirm his presence at the restaurant and how long he was there (through receipts, servers, etc.)

• LN Cronan wrote “The cops figuring out so quickly ties Nathan had to him, Eva and Stanton. So quickly they ended up coming to her apartment the Friday night Gideon was at her place meeting her father. Respectfully I dispute that comment. The cops had suspicions and not actual proof of anything. Gideon played his hand very well. There was only documentation of Nathan in the Building the first time but I am not sure if the book says that or Gideon confirmed to the police that Nathan was trying to extort money from him. I don’t know whether Stanton confirmed to the police either that Nathan was trying to extort money from him. It wouldn’t make sense to me for two powerful men opening up themselves to further scrutiny.

• I think that based on what the detectives found in Nathan’s hotel room and maybe the civil litigation, they surmised that something more significant was going on and that’s why the investigation.

Those are just my thoughts. What does everyone else think?

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Thanks for the timeline, LN Cronan, that really helps keep things in perspective. So looking at the timeline brought a question to my mind.

 

Since it appears Gideon was trying to give the appearance of being broken-up with Eva, why did he go to dinner at her house on that Friday? I know he wanted to meet her dad but surely he knew Nathan's body would be found and with all the pictures of Eva laying around the cops would seek her out first. Wasn't he worried about the cops finding him at Eva's in the mist of a family dinner?

 

Then Eva breaking up with Gideon after the fact makes his running around with Corinne pointless. Especially when he had such a noticable reaction at the police station. I would think the cops would see his heartbreak and then guess his motive was for the woman he loves and be able to put it together that Gideon was just trying to make them think he was involved with Corinne which should have raised and waved a red flag over his head "big time!"???

 

Then after that he went back to worrying about being seen with Eva - doesn't make sense - and, add to that he still had his driver trying to give her rides only reinforces that the ties between them weren't fully cut.

 

Hi Mrsmajessick,

I read you’re posting and I wonder if maybe Gideon went to the dinner because he himself was on the list to be questioned by the police and knew that Eva was next in line for questioning. I say this because Gideon is the owner of the property where the murder was committed and I am sure that the detectives would have been calling and asking to speak with Gideon. He could very well have delayed returning the phone calls, thereby forcing the detectives to find Gideon at Eva’s apartment on Friday night. Maybe he thought that in some strange way he could control the situation. Gideon knew that Eva’s dad was going to be there and that he was a former detective himself. I think that maybe he knew that Victor would interrupt or end any type of questioning because Victor knows the law and wouldn’t let anything happen to his daughter.

Gideon could also reaffirm his cold/apathetic behaviour toward Eva that he had carefully established earlier in the week and that could be witnessed by the detectives, and by the detectives gauging Eva’s reactions. These reactions would have supported the video surveillance and the witness accounts at work.

Maybe Gideon explained away his presence at Eva’s apartment by saying that “I promised my sister that we would go, etc.?†I think that Gideon running around with Corinne served two purposes; one to confirm that Gideon had moved on but more importantly it would have confirmed Eva’s reactions to the detectives. Corinne was Eva’s sore spot and I don’t think that Eva could have hid her disappointment or complete upset at the thought of Gideon dating his old flame.

You make a valid point about Gideon offering Eva rides after they had supposedly broken up. Maybe he explained it to the detectives as an act of charity and a way of keeping an eye on a woman who was clearly distraught about the breakup. Do you think it is possible that Gideon mentioned the possibility of Eva having a hard time with the breakup and he was concerned that Eva might develop stalking tendencies? After all Eva confronted Gideon’s mother, had contact with his brother Christopher, and went to Dr. Lucas’s office to speak with him (which is owned by Crossfire Subsidiaries). Eva had also described herself to Brett as; needy, clingy and insanely jealous. What do you think?

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Bunching together several questions about some of my theories: 


Re: Gideon's phone. On Friday night and Saturday morning, the cops had just barely begun examining both Gideon and Stanton. I think the detective told the truth when she saw how devastated Gideon was by that phone call at the police station. She guessed correctly it was Eva. I think then and there, the detective felt Gideon had personal motive for wanting Nathan dead. And so as the detective continued to investigate, she never for one second bought the cover story about Gideon having gone back to Corrine.

 

The cops had more than enough evidence to get a judge to sign a subpoena for Gideon (and Stanton's) phone records. And video tape of their office buildings. And probably their bank records too. Nathan's extortion attempts were the grounds to delve further into ongoing contact both men had with Nathan in the weeks leading up to his death, including his visits to their offices, and any sizeable chunks of money leaving one or both of Gideon and Stanton's bank accounts.

 

Re: Gideon's security team. I'm not sure exactly where I read Sylvia's spoiler-question answer that Gideon met with his security team at his apartment on Tuesday night, but I do remember it. it may have even been somewhere on this site. if not here, Facebook or Twitter. Angus holds a special place with Gideon, having known Gideon since grade school and serving not only as driver but his main bodyguard. Angus was the person above all else Gideon entrusted to watch over Eva. I believe he opened up to Angus about the full danger to Eva, and if anyone helped him (not with the stabbing itself but the logistics that night, including playing a role in alibis) it was Angus.

 

Gideon was lawyered up, but that does not mean refusing to answer all questions. He'd only refuse to answer any questions that could incriminate him. It would be to his benefit to answer certain questions, including those related to his alibi. The fact he has an alibi is what's known as "exculpatory" -- the very opposite of incriminating.

 

I wonder whether Detective Graves, when working so hard to try to break Gideon's alibi, ended up questioning Corrine about the timeline of her being with Gideon that night. It would be to his benefit for her to answer those questions, even with her lawyered up too. He'd have asked her to "just answer their questions about us being together." But I'm guessing Graves didn't ask Corrine anything, because the newspaper photo alone covered the fact she'd been with Gideon. 

 

I don't think the cops questioned Arnoldo. Arnoldo was lined up to be a potential defense witness if the case ever ended up going to trial. He could give good reason why Gideon dumped Eva when he did (the whole kissing Brett incident) and the fact Gideon started "dating" Corrine again just a few days later.

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i haven't seen this discussed, yet (maybe i overlooked - apologies if that is the case), but i'm of the mind that gideon's prefernce for brunettes is not because of corinne, but because of his mother.  i'm sure freud would agree?  she denied him what he needed from a mother, and he's subconsciously seeking it from her in his affairs. 

 

it's also crossed my mind that eva was right in the begining, that his mother did love him "too much", and that ireland might possibly be his daughter.  the math with the ages, and his statements thus far, do not support that theory, but he's been so cryptic it's hard to say anything is impossible. 

 

the truth is that eva draws conclusions based on the crumbs of information gideon and others offer, and she's not always right.  i think that elizabeth's responce to eva's accusations seemed earnest, as through eva was way off base.  similarly with the doctor.  "you're wrong" and "you're clueless" are not how a person would react when faced with truth, especially when eva would have had the possibility to be informed by gideon, himself.  if she were right they would have responded with questions about why gideon told her, or why she was bringing it up, or attempts at defending themselves, or walking away. 

 

gideon said his mom didn't believe him, but not about the abuse, per se.  elizabeth said she had him examined by 2 different doctors and found nothing, and that christopher was there as well, but is it possible that she was assuming eva to be speaking of another instance altogether?  perhaps those 2 doctors she speaks of are the ones that came to the house?  gideon never specifies who abused him, or even if it was that doctoral candidate that many assume, just that it was a "him".  the "him"s available in his life (that we know of) would include the doctoral candidate, christopher, vidal, and angus.

 

i'm rambling, but my point is that we are getting this story from eva's pov, so we only have access to her truth.  i'm wary to accept anything she thinks or assumes, when she is obviously not well informed.

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