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i haven't seen this discussed, yet (maybe i overlooked - apologies if that is the case), but i'm of the mind that gideon's prefernce for brunettes is not because of corinne, but because of his mother.  i'm sure freud would agree?  she denied him what he needed from a mother, and he's subconsciously seeking it from her in his affairs. 

 

it's also crossed my mind that eva was right in the begining, that his mother did love him "too much", and that ireland might possibly be his daughter.  the math with the ages, and his statements thus far, do not support that theory, but he's been so cryptic it's hard to say anything is impossible. 

 

the truth is that eva draws conclusions based on the crumbs of information gideon and others offer, and she's not always right.  i think that elizabeth's responce to eva's accusations seemed earnest, as through eva was way off base.  similarly with the doctor.  "you're wrong" and "you're clueless" are not how a person would react when faced with truth, especially when eva would have had the possibility to be informed by gideon, himself.  if she were right they would have responded with questions about why gideon told her, or why she was bringing it up, or attempts at defending themselves, or walking away. 

 

gideon said his mom didn't believe him, but not about the abuse, per se.  elizabeth said she had him examined by 2 different doctors and found nothing, and that christopher was there as well, but is it possible that she was assuming eva to be speaking of another instance altogether?  perhaps those 2 doctors she speaks of are the ones that came to the house?  gideon never specifies who abused him, or even if it was that doctoral candidate that many assume, just that it was a "him".  the "him"s available in his life (that we know of) would include the doctoral candidate, christopher, vidal, and angus.

 

i'm rambling, but my point is that we are getting this story from eva's pov, so we only have access to her truth.  i'm wary to accept anything she thinks or assumes, when she is obviously not well informed.

 

Whoever abused Gideon is definitely not his mother. Gideon despises his mother because she never believed him. Possible she even kept his abuser around him. Vidal yes I do see it.

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i haven't seen this discussed, yet (maybe i overlooked - apologies if that is the case), but i'm of the mind that gideon's prefernce for brunettes is not because of corinne, but because of his mother.  i'm sure freud would agree?  she denied him what he needed from a mother, and he's subconsciously seeking it from her in his affairs. 

 

it's also crossed my mind that eva was right in the begining, that his mother did love him "too much", and that ireland might possibly be his daughter.  the math with the ages, and his statements thus far, do not support that theory, but he's been so cryptic it's hard to say anything is impossible. 

 

the truth is that eva draws conclusions based on the crumbs of information gideon and others offer, and she's not always right.  i think that elizabeth's responce to eva's accusations seemed earnest, as through eva was way off base.  similarly with the doctor.  "you're wrong" and "you're clueless" are not how a person would react when faced with truth, especially when eva would have had the possibility to be informed by gideon, himself.  if she were right they would have responded with questions about why gideon told her, or why she was bringing it up, or attempts at defending themselves, or walking away. 

 

gideon said his mom didn't believe him, but not about the abuse, per se.  elizabeth said she had him examined by 2 different doctors and found nothing, and that christopher was there as well, but is it possible that she was assuming eva to be speaking of another instance altogether?  perhaps those 2 doctors she speaks of are the ones that came to the house?  gideon never specifies who abused him, or even if it was that doctoral candidate that many assume, just that it was a "him".  the "him"s available in his life (that we know of) would include the doctoral candidate, christopher, vidal, and angus.

 

i'm rambling, but my point is that we are getting this story from eva's pov, so we only have access to her truth.  i'm wary to accept anything she thinks or assumes, when she is obviously not well informed.

jo_mama,

On page 320 of RIY you'll find that Gideon is telling Eva about the person who abused him at that point in his life. The mom was pregnant w/Ireland and it was a difficult pregnancy, so the psychiatrist was spending most of the time with his mother. He says he was left alone with the doctoral candidate more and more frequently.

Also, when they are in N.Car. he tells Eva that the mom didn't believe him and Eva asks, "You told her what happened to you? You told her and she didn't believe you?" Page197

Hope that helps a little bit.

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jo_mama,

On page 320 of RIY you'll find that Gideon is telling Eva about the person who abused him at that point in his life. The mom was pregnant w/Ireland and it was a difficult pregnancy, so the psychiatrist was spending most of the time with his mother. He says he was left alone with the doctoral candidate more and more frequently.

Also, when they are in N.Car. he tells Eva that the mom didn't believe him and Eva asks, "You told her what happened to you? You told her and she didn't believe you?" Page197

Hope that helps a little bit.

did he say specifically that he was left alone with the doctoral candidate?  i believe he said that he was "left alone with him", and i dare not assume who that "him" is.  i'm inclined to think it was vidal.

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Just read just page 320 RIY

'' They came out to the house-the shrink and the doctoral candidate she was supervising. It started out all right. They both were nice, attractive, patient. But soon the shrink was spending most of the time counselling my mother, who was having a difficult pregnancy in addition to two young boys who were out of control. I was left alone with him more and more frequently.''

 

Gideon doesn't really say who, he keeps referring to the person as ''HIM''. My guess is Vidal.

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i don't mean to make everyone crazy, but surely sylvia had the ability to get very specific in what the characters say, so when she doesn't i ask why.

 

vidal seems like a likely suspect.  perhaps his and elizabeth's quick marriage was in part because she brought a son to the relationship.  while it would explain how gideon became majorty interest in vidal records, i have trouble believing that he would take any part in a business with his abuser.  the vidal records thing has me a little baffled, as otherwise he has done a steller job of distancing himself from his family.  hmm hmm hmm.

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I've thought for awhile that Vidal sr is the abuser, since Gideon refers to his abuser as "HIM" . And I think Sylvia being such a good writer wants you to think its the dictorial candidate then your hit with the twist of it not being that way at all.

And there's no interaction at the garden party with Gideon and Vidal .

He asks Eva what she thinks of his mother but not what she thinks of Vidal sr .

I think that Elizabeth knows that Vidal abused her son but her need for financial security and Christopher and Ireland being his children stop her from ever speaking out against him.

I think Gideon is motivated to take away that financial security and that is how he has major share in Vidal records.

How much speculation and theories can we have on these two books until June.

Nice surprise to get a short Oscar snippet . Just a shame it's not a whole chapter.

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ShazScott I've been thinking since the first book that it was Chris Sr (maybe even Chris Jr) which is why he does not like Ireland and Chris Jr, he's a part of them. But then with what he said to Eva in the car, I started to think maybe the therapist who came in to get his attitude under control.

In the second book I started to think Elizabeth knew, I can easily see why she would stay for financial reason. Maybe she even though "who would love a woman with 3 kids".

 

I can't see why Gideon would hate his step dad so much unless he did something to him or his mother. Wasn't Chris Sr. in his life since he was a small kid? The fact that he does not like to go home also points fingers at one of the adults who raised him.

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I always had the thought it was vidal sr but how can a mother stsy with someone who abusef her sin id rather be alone and poor luving in a card board box that would be so messed up i definitly hste her more now than and if thsts the case omg watch out for evas rath she will drfinitly blow a gasket that will be some show down

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Bunching together several questions about some of my theories: 

Re: Gideon's phone. On Friday night and Saturday morning, the cops had just barely begun examining both Gideon and Stanton. I think the detective told the truth when she saw how devastated Gideon was by that phone call at the police station. She guessed correctly it was Eva. I think then and there, the detective felt Gideon had personal motive for wanting Nathan dead. And so as the detective continued to investigate, she never for one second bought the cover story about Gideon having gone back to Corrine.

 

The cops had more than enough evidence to get a judge to sign a subpoena for Gideon (and Stanton's) phone records. And video tape of their office buildings. And probably their bank records too. Nathan's extortion attempts were the grounds to delve further into ongoing contact both men had with Nathan in the weeks leading up to his death, including his visits to their offices, and any sizeable chunks of money leaving one or both of Gideon and Stanton's bank accounts.

 

Re: Gideon's security team. I'm not sure exactly where I read Sylvia's spoiler-question answer that Gideon met with his security team at his apartment on Tuesday night, but I do remember it. it may have even been somewhere on this site. if not here, Facebook or Twitter. Angus holds a special place with Gideon, having known Gideon since grade school and serving not only as driver but his main bodyguard. Angus was the person above all else Gideon entrusted to watch over Eva. I believe he opened up to Angus about the full danger to Eva, and if anyone helped him (not with the stabbing itself but the logistics that night, including playing a role in alibis) it was Angus.

 

Gideon was lawyered up, but that does not mean refusing to answer all questions. He'd only refuse to answer any questions that could incriminate him. It would be to his benefit to answer certain questions, including those related to his alibi. The fact he has an alibi is what's known as "exculpatory" -- the very opposite of incriminating.

 

I wonder whether Detective Graves, when working so hard to try to break Gideon's alibi, ended up questioning Corrine about the timeline of her being with Gideon that night. It would be to his benefit for her to answer those questions, even with her lawyered up too. He'd have asked her to "just answer their questions about us being together." But I'm guessing Graves didn't ask Corrine anything, because the newspaper photo alone covered the fact she'd been with Gideon. 

 

I don't think the cops questioned Arnoldo. Arnoldo was lined up to be a potential defense witness if the case ever ended up going to trial. He could give good reason why Gideon dumped Eva when he did (the whole kissing Brett incident) and the fact Gideon started "dating" Corrine again just a few days later.

 

Hi LN Cronan,

I read your posting and I think that Gideon probably offered the video tapes voluntarily to the detectives to support his claim that he and Eva had already broken up. I just don’t think that he did anything voluntarily without the presence of counsel. I don’t think that there was nearly enough evidence to support the theory that the detectives could have subpoenaed Gideon’s bank records unless (Big Huge Unless here-Nathan had something written down about trying to extort monies from both Gideon and/or Stanton). I guess the big question for me would be: how much available, untraceable money did either of these men have in a vault or safety deposit box etc.? Monica stated to Eva that Stanton had finally decided to payoff Nathan. How was he planning on doing that? Surely Stanton wouldn’t go to his bank and make such a sizable withdrawal because all bank transactions are traceable and anyone wanting to commit a crime wouldn’t want to lead the police to their doorstep.

I understand what you are saying about offering an explanation to the detectives but I honestly think that Gideon didn’t say word one to the detectives until he was in the presence o cousel. It may be a reason why they were pushing so hard to nail everyone’s stories down (so they could then try to begin breaking them down). I know that there isn’t’ any written documentation of this, it is just my thought. I guess we will have to wait and see on June 4th (fingers crossed :)). What do you and everyone else think?

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Hi everyone,

I agree with Valgirl. How could a mother sacrifice her child for the sake of money? She would be literally prostituting her son in exchange for her lifestyle. That thought literally just makes me sick to my stomach! I could be wrong but if the situation was that severe, I am not sure that Gideon would allow his siblings to be raised by a pedophile. I can understand Gideon not taking custody of his sister when he wasn’t financially stable but what would his excuse be now? He has all the money in the world. Why would he leave his sister in the custody of the man who raped him? What does everyone think?

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People do strange things for money. My guess is still Vidal. Elizabeth may have chosen to forsake Gideon for her security. And chances are Gideon figured Chris jr and Ireland wont be abused by Vidal as he was their biological father.

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Hi LN Cronan,

I read your posting and I think that Gideon probably offered the video tapes voluntarily to the detectives to support his claim that he and Eva had already broken up. I just don’t think that he did anything voluntarily without the presence of counsel. I don’t think that there was nearly enough evidence to support the theory that the detectives could have subpoenaed Gideon’s bank records unless (Big Huge Unless here-Nathan had something written down about trying to extort monies from both Gideon and/or Stanton). I guess the big question for me would be: how much available, untraceable money did either of these men have in a vault or safety deposit box etc.? Monica stated to Eva that Stanton had finally decided to payoff Nathan. How was he planning on doing that? Surely Stanton wouldn’t go to his bank and make such a sizable withdrawal because all bank transactions are traceable and anyone wanting to commit a crime wouldn’t want to lead the police to their doorstep.

I understand what you are saying about offering an explanation to the detectives but I honestly think that Gideon didn’t say word one to the detectives until he was in the presence o cousel. It may be a reason why they were pushing so hard to nail everyone’s stories down (so they could then try to begin breaking them down). I know that there isn’t’ any written documentation of this, it is just my thought. I guess we will have to wait and see on June 4th (fingers crossed :)). What do you and everyone else think?

 

The cops subpoenaed security tapes of Richard Stanton's office and kept hounding him. From page 329, Monica upset on the phone, talking to Eva: "I don't understand what they're looking for!" she complained, sounding angry and tearful. "They won't leave Richard alone. They went to his office today and took copies of the security tapes." And at the top of page 330, Monica continued, " ... They're relentless. What do they want?" Note: this was a couple of weeks after the murder.

 

It's likely they were hounding Gideon the same way. I can't see him voluntarily producing security tapes, but the police had enough grounds to get them by subpoena. In fact, it was that same week the cops went after Stanton's office tapes that Gideon paraded Corrine through the lobby of Crossfire, his hand at the small of her back. He must have been putting on a show for the security cameras in his lobby and outside the front of the building, where he helped tuck Corrine into the back of his Mercedes.

 

I wonder whether Eva had come back into camera range at that moment nearby on the sidewalk. She'd left the building for the day a short time before, but rather than heading straight home, she went around the corner to buy a bottle of water and a bag of chocolate. Thus she was walking back toward Crossfire at (for Gideon) the worst possible moment, just in time to see him emerge with Corrine and lead her to the car. He froze when he saw Eva standing there, and the camera would have caught he staring fixedly at something. Was Eva close enough that the camera also caught her flipping him her middle finger (one of my favorite go-gurl Eva moments.)

 

Neither Gideon nor Stanton would be stupid enough to have any bank transactions linking them directly to Nathan. But to dot all the i's and cross all the t's, the cops would have checked the records anyway to determine if there was any evidence that could look like blackmail payoffs. They'd likely have gotten copies of phone records as well. Just because there wasn't anything there doesn't mean they wouldn't try looking.

 

We know Gideon admitted in front of Eva he was familiar with Nathan (this was at her place when the cops first showed up.) Or more specifically, he didn't deny knowing Nathan. He was smart enough to not catch himself in a lie. They also asked him where he'd been Thursday night. He offered to talk to them while walking them downstairs. We don't know exactly what he said, but it's likely he would have said he had been at a party with lots of people there, and there even was a newspaper picture proving it. It would have been extremely to his benefit to offer an alibi at that moment.

 

I'm sure the detectives would have continued asking more questions, but he would have cut them off then by saying he wanted his lawyer present before talking further. Once someone says the "L-word" questioning stops. In fact, as soon as the cops conceded they were investigating Nathan's death, Eva's Dad invoked a desire for legal counsel and cut off further questioning until she could come down to the station with a lawyer present. Her Dad told the cops to leave.

 

Gideon came back upstairs within minutes of escorting them out of the apartment building, so he hadn't spoken long with the detectives. Further questioning would involve him and his lawyer voluntarily coming down to the police station to meet in an interrogation room. We know went to the police station the next morning.

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ShazScott I've been thinking since the first book that it was Chris Sr (maybe even Chris Jr) which is why he does not like Ireland and Chris Jr, he's a part of them. But then with what he said to Eva in the car, I started to think maybe the therapist who came in to get his attitude under control.

In the second book I started to think Elizabeth knew, I can easily see why she would stay for financial reason. Maybe she even though "who would love a woman with 3 kids".

 

I can't see why Gideon would hate his step dad so much unless he did something to him or his mother. Wasn't Chris Sr. in his life since he was a small kid? The fact that he does not like to go home also points fingers at one of the adults who raised him.

Okay let me clarify here. lol. What I mean by that statement is I can see Elizabeth staying because she is a gold digger type. I never think it is acceptable for anyone to stay with anyone who hurt their children or family. That typed out really ignorant and stupid of me. The way I meant it and the way it came out was totally different. The reason she would stay is to not be on the quest for another rich husband. Does that make sense? It's not okay to ever stay with anyone for hurting you your child or family. I feel stupid.

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as appauling as it might be to think of a woman staying with a man who would rape her child, let's not be naive enough to think it couldn't happen, especially in a piece of fiction.  obviously he told her something horrible was happening, and she didn't believe him.

 

in my opinion, it does not follow gideon's charecter to want to 'save' christopher or ireland from the household.  at some point he cut off all emotion associated with his family.  i imagine it happened before ireland was born, during the abuse, so while she never did anything to push him away he also never formed a bond with her.

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as appauling as it might be to think of a woman staying with a man who would rape her child, let's not be naive enough to think it couldn't happen, especially in a piece of fiction.  obviously he told her something horrible was happening, and she didn't believe him.

 

in my opinion, it does not follow gideon's charecter to want to 'save' christopher or ireland from the household.  at some point he cut off all emotion associated with his family.  i imagine it happened before ireland was born, during the abuse, so while she never did anything to push him away he also never formed a bond with her.

 

Hi Jo-mama,

Let's remember that Gideon wasn't raped just once. He was raped repeatedly and brutally (if his nightmares are any indication). So no I don't know if an author would want to walk that path.

The implications would be that Elizabeth Vidal knew that her husband was repeatedly and brutally raping her son. Would Elizabeth have absolutely no concern for her other two children? What’s more would Gideon have no concern for his two other siblings? What happened when Gideon was a child wasn’t his fault, but having the knowledge that he has and doing NOTHING would then make him despicable. Think about it for a minute. Gideon knows that he is leaving his brother and sister behind with a monster/rapist/pedophile and he does nothing. BOOO!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!! I don’t honestly think that Gideon would be capable of being that cold. After all Gideon openly and whole heartedly supports child abuse charities.

The second implication would be that Elizabeth Vidal was an absolute monster. I know that this woman will never win mother of the year, but a complete monster....I don't know. There isn't any written word to support that and Ireland seems pretty normal thus far. A reader is lead to believe that from the interactions that she has with Eva, Gideon and Carey (on the few occasions that they were together). Who knows though? Time and Sylvia's next book will tell. What does everyone think?

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i don't mean to make everyone crazy, but surely sylvia had the ability to get very specific in what the characters say, so when she doesn't i ask why.

 

vidal seems like a likely suspect.  perhaps his and elizabeth's quick marriage was in part because she brought a son to the relationship.  while it would explain how gideon became majorty interest in vidal records, i have trouble believing that he would take any part in a business with his abuser.  the vidal records thing has me a little baffled, as otherwise he has done a steller job of distancing himself from his family.  hmm hmm hmm.

Jo mama I think that Gideon having the majority interest in Vidal records is taking away control from Vidal , who I think is somewhat involved with Gideon's abuse.

Maybe Gideon thinks having this control is the only way he can take away power form his abuser.

Many post talk about how could Gideon leave Christopher jr and Ireland with his abuser when he's said that he wanted to save Christopher . This led me to think that then Vidal didn't physical abuse but I think watched or allowed it to happen.

Gideon's lack of relationship with Ireland I think is because maybe he feels that if his mother wasn't pregnant with Ireland then therapy for him would have helped rather than leading to abuse.

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I don't think it was Christopher Sr.. I think it was his money that may have paid off the doctors to say that nothing had happen to Gideon. Elizabeth was pregnant and already stressed between dealing with what Gideon's dad had done and now dealing with young Gideon acting out.! Surley a mother wouldn't stay because off the money with a man that may have abused her son.. Like Monica she'd benefit from it..!! Just my thoughts....!!!

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I don't think it was Christopher Sr.. I think it was his money that may have paid off the doctors to say that nothing had happen to Gideon. Elizabeth was pregnant and already stressed between dealing with what Gideon's dad had done and now dealing with young Gideon acting out.! Surley a mother wouldn't stay because off the money with a man that may have abused her son.. Like Monica she'd benefit from it..!! Just my thoughts....!!!

Hmm... I never thought of that. That could be another reason Gideon hates him, but how would G have found out? When you think about it, Chris Sr. is too much of an obvious suspect. But what about the "left alone with him more often" line? Who else could he be referring to? The abuser is most definitely still in his life.

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I don't think it was Christopher Sr.. I think it was his money that may have paid off the doctors to say that nothing had happen to Gideon. Elizabeth was pregnant and already stressed between dealing with what Gideon's dad had done and now dealing with young Gideon acting out.! Surley a mother wouldn't stay because off the money with a man that may have abused her son.. Like Monica she'd benefit from it..!! Just my thoughts....!!!

 

Hi MrsCrossfire,

Your idea about Vidal’s money paying off the doctor is plausible. I guess I wonder what Vidal’s role was in this entire fiasco. I keep coming back to whether Elizabeth Vidal said anything to Vidal about Gideon’s claims of abuse? How much did the man know and what was his role, cover-up or otherwise in this story?

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i do not think gideon was tailing nathan.  while that does seem like a good idea, now, i think his focus was protecting eva and not following nathan.  if he knew where nathan was all the time he would not have been so angry when she went out to lunch or didn't wait for his car to take her to work.  that week is when we are introduced to raul, which is evidence of gideon beefing up his security around eva.

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