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As former MI5, accomplice, father-figure, bodyguard-chaffeur, Angus surely knows better than to come up hollering such a bombshell!!! I bet he always keeps a low profile.

LOL I can't picture Angus hollering much of anything. I just thought how great it would have been to see the looks on the faces of Elizabeth and Corrines parents if they had in fact heard Angus address Eva as Mrs. Cross :-)

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Huh. Sherlock Holmes has nothing on us in this forum. :)

Nighty night ladies from the U. K.

Good night

sweet dreams!

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When Eva changed her phone Mommyca had no way of tracking her, And then when Mommyca saw Nathan outside the crossfire she almost passed out..!! Then the attack on Cary more than likely put the icing on the cake so they placed the bugs in Eva's belongings..!........

Oh wait one was in her Rolex she got a as graduation gift..! So the bugs were probably already there just not being used, after the attack on Cary or maybe after Mommyca saw Nathan at the crossfire the receiver was turned on to trace Eva so everyone knew where she was.!!

Let me think about this some more..!!

 

I'm thinking now that really early in Bared to You, when Eva's little trip out to Brooklyn to check out the Krav Maga studio showed up on Monica's radar (pun intended) Monica and Stanton lied about how they actually tracked Eva. Stanton claimed it was one of his company cell phones they gave to Eva for personal use -- but really all along it was the Rolex watch. They lied about the phone, letting the phone "take the fall" so to speak. She'd get a new phone -- which she immediately did -- all the while, Monica kept tracking her.

 

Which means Monica also lied to her teeth in Dr. Petersen's office when Eva was there for the joint therapy session Eva demanded with her mother. Monica was all full of apologies, and she sorta promised her shrink she wouldn't do it again -- but all the time, she was still pulling it.

 

So why the second tracking bug in the powder compact in Eva's purse? As back-up for those times Eva didn't wear her Rolex out somewhere. She'd still probably carry her purse.

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LOL I can't picture Angus hollering much of anything. I just thought how great it would have been to see the looks on the faces of Elizabeth and Corrines parents if they had in fact heard Angus address Eva as Mrs. Cross :-)

I bet a fly on the wall would be having a great time!!! :D

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LOL I can't picture Angus hollering much of anything. I just thought how great it would have been to see the looks on the faces of Elizabeth and Corrines parents if they had in fact heard Angus address Eva as Mrs. Cross :-)

 

Good Lord, can you imagine what might have happened if Lizzie overheard Angus calling Eva "Mrs. Cross." There had already been one fight in that waiting room -- Gideon and JFG had barely been flexi-cuffed by security and escorted off the premises. I have this twisted vision of Lizzie launching herself at Eva, starting a cat fight Lizzie would quickly lose to one of Eva's basic Krav Maga moves. Security would come running back, flexi-cuffs at the ready, to haul Lizzie and Eva away too.

 

Corrine's parents would have been left there dazed thinking "What the h e l l just happened here?"

 

Seriously, though -- I do feel bad for Corrine's parents, who seem to be nice people, and I do feel bad for JFG too, even though he comes across as being a jerk. He ended up collateral damage too.

 

I do not feel bad for Lizzie, though -- what the heck was she thinking calling Gideon, making matters a lot worse all around for him being there. She's the one to blame for the fistfight erupting, guilt-tripping Gideon into entering an emotionally volatile setting. And for what good reason? Oh yeah, because she's head of Team Corrine As Mrs. Cross. Well, karma bit Lizzie when the Real Mrs. Cross showed up too.

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Someone asked about the time that has passed from the beginning of BTY to EWY and Sylvia tweeted 3 months..!!

 

The math I did comes out to 59 days, but I could be off one or two. I had been crunching some numbers yesterday to factor in how many weeks along Corrine might have been when she started stalking Gideon in person in New York.

 

I'm still chipping away at a mini-project to create a daily timeline for Crossfire from the first day of Bared to the last day of Entwined.

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I'm thinking now that really early in Bared to You, when Eva's little trip out to Brooklyn to check out the Krav Maga studio showed up on Monica's radar (pun intended) Monica and Stanton lied about how they actually tracked Eva. Stanton claimed it was one of his company cell phones they gave to Eva for personal use -- but really all along it was the Rolex watch. They lied about the phone, letting the phone "take the fall" so to speak. She'd get a new phone -- which she immediately did -- all the while, Monica kept tracking her.

 

Which means Monica also lied to her teeth in Dr. Petersen's office when Eva was there for the joint therapy session Eva demanded with her mother. Monica was all full of apologies, and she sorta promised her shrink she wouldn't do it again -- but all the time, she was still pulling it.

 

So why the second tracking bug in the powder compact in Eva's purse? As back-up for those times Eva didn't wear her Rolex out somewhere. She'd still probably carry her purse.

True which is why Monica never borthered to ask Eva why she stop using the phone..!!

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I'm thinking now that really early in Bared to You, when Eva's little trip out to Brooklyn to check out the Krav Maga studio showed up on Monica's radar (pun intended) Monica and Stanton lied about how they actually tracked Eva. Stanton claimed it was one of his company cell phones they gave to Eva for personal use -- but really all along it was the Rolex watch. They lied about the phone, letting the phone "take the fall" so to speak. She'd get a new phone -- which she immediately did -- all the while, Monica kept tracking her.

 

Which means Monica also lied to her teeth in Dr. Petersen's office when Eva was there for the joint therapy session Eva demanded with her mother. Monica was all full of apologies, and she sorta promised her shrink she wouldn't do it again -- but all the time, she was still pulling it.

 

So why the second tracking bug in the powder compact in Eva's purse? As back-up for those times Eva didn't wear her Rolex out somewhere. She'd still probably carry her purse.

Hi LN

I believe that tracking bugs have been planted in almost all of Eva's personal belongings to be switched on or off as the need be (Clancy told Eva he had switched the bug in the vanity off as soon as he was sure Nathan was dead. He didn't mention the Rolex, though....)

So Monica is not lying when she says she won't do it again, because she wouldn't need to.

 

 

 

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Hi LN

I believe that tracking bugs have been planted in almost all of Eva's personal belongings to be switched on or off as the need be (Clancy told Eva he had switched the bug in the vanity off as soon as he was sure Nathan was dead. He didn't mention the Rolex, though....)

So Monica is not lying when she says she won't do it again, because she wouldn't need to.

 

 

 

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Hey Gabri, you're up late tonight ;)  

 

Monica had been lying by omission, though, early in Bared to You in the immediate aftermath of Eva getting angry over the (supposed) phone incident. Eva demanded a joint meeting with Monica and Dr. Petersen -- apparently not the first time Eva's needed a three-way meeting with her neurotic mother and the shrink. She gave Eva the impression she'd take Dr. Petersen's advice about giving Eva the much-needed boundaries and sense of control over her (Eva's) life, both of which Nathan had so brutally taken away from Eva as a girl. 

 

When in fact, all the time the bug was still in that Rolex and had been for many weeks, ever since Eva got the watch as a college graduation present. And who knows when the make-up compact bug got slipped to Eva.

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Good Lord, can you imagine what might have happened if Lizzie overheard Angus calling Eva "Mrs. Cross." There had already been one fight in that waiting room -- Gideon and JFG had barely been flexi-cuffed by security and escorted off the premises. I have this twisted vision of Lizzie launching herself at Eva, starting a cat fight Lizzie would quickly lose to one of Eva's basic Krav Maga moves. Security would come running back, flexi-cuffs at the ready, to haul Lizzie and Eva away too.

 

Corrine's parents would have been left there dazed thinking "What the h e l l just happened here?"

 

Seriously, though -- I do feel bad for Corrine's parents, who seem to be nice people, and I do feel bad for JFG too, even though he comes across as being a jerk. He ended up collateral damage too.

 

I do not feel bad for Lizzie, though -- what the heck was she thinking calling Gideon, making matters a lot worse all around for him being there. She's the one to blame for the fistfight erupting, guilt-tripping Gideon into entering an emotionally volatile setting. And for what good reason? Oh yeah, because she's head of Team Corrine As Mrs. Cross. Well, karma bit Lizzie when the Real Mrs. Cross showed up too.

It is Lizzie and Gideon's fault that the fight erupted; Gideon had no business being there ESPECIALLY NOW that he is MaRRIED and he should have told his mother firmly on the phone that it was not HIS place to be there!!!

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It is Lizzie and Gideon's fault that the fight erupted; Gideon had no business being there ESPECIALLY NOW that he is MaRRIED and he should have told his mother firmly on the phone that it was not HIS place to be there!!!

Exactly why did he show up in the first place! He should've told Elizabeth to call JFG and if she said he was already there then Gideon should've said well then what's the point of me going! There was no point!

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She might go the Italian way and have both the engagement ring and the wedding band on the same finger.

Are Italian women the only ones to wear two rings?

No, i wear two rings as well. One is my engagement ring and one is my wedding band. Both are on my left ring finger.

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I'm just wondering if Victor did actually go home in the first place. Who saw him get on the plane? I always thought it a bit strange Victor going home, with Eva in the middle of a crisis. Bit of digging going on. Oh the plot thickens! :)

Julie,

I have the very same thoughts. What if Victor has been in NYC the whole time.

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It is Lizzie and Gideon's fault that the fight erupted; Gideon had no business being there ESPECIALLY NOW that he is MaRRIED and he should have told his mother firmly on the phone that it was not HIS place to be there!!!

 

 

Exactly why did he show up in the first place! He should've told Elizabeth to call JFG and if she said he was already there then Gideon should've said well then what's the point of me going! There was no point!

 

Exactly!!! Because he'd certainly had no trouble telling his mother "No" before.

 

It all ties back to Gideon's guilt over Corrine. Yes, he does have reason to feel some guilt -- he coldly used the woman every bit as much as he calculatedly played Eva's own emotions against her.

 

BUT ...

 

Corrine apparently installed his guilt buttons years ago, and for quite some time recently, she'd been hitting those buttons by calling him up from France, trying to "lean on him" during her "time of trouble." When what she really was doing was manipulating the poor guy. And she very calculatedly manipulated the vulnerabilities of his brand new girlfriend, a woman he loved deeply, purely for her (Corrine's) own selfish aims of driving a wedge between them. Which she succeeded in doing. So Corrine wasn't some innocent victim here. She was as much to blame for herself getting hurt as Gideon was.

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Exactly!!! Because he'd certainly had no trouble telling his mother "No" before.

It all ties back to Gideon's guilt over Corrine. Yes, he does have reason to feel some guilt -- he coldly used the woman every bit as much as he calculatedly played Eva's own emotions against her.

BUT ...

Corrine apparently installed his guilt buttons years ago, and for quite some time recently, she'd been hitting those buttons by calling him up from France, trying to "lean on him" during her "time of trouble." When what she really was doing was manipulating the poor guy. And she very calculatedly manipulated the vulnerabilities of his brand new girlfriend, a woman he loved deeply, purely for her (Corrine's) own selfish aims of driving a wedge between them. Which she succeeded in doing. So Corrine wasn't some innocent victim here. She was as much to blame for herself getting hurt as Gideon was.

I just don't know how he can let himself be manipulated like that. He just won't quit her!!
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I'm thinking now that really early in Bared to You, when Eva's little trip out to Brooklyn to check out the Krav Maga studio showed up on Monica's radar (pun intended) Monica and Stanton lied about how they actually tracked Eva. Stanton claimed it was one of his company cell phones they gave to Eva for personal use -- but really all along it was the Rolex watch. They lied about the phone, letting the phone "take the fall" so to speak. She'd get a new phone -- which she immediately did -- all the while, Monica kept tracking her.

 

Which means Monica also lied to her teeth in Dr. Petersen's office when Eva was there for the joint therapy session Eva demanded with her mother. Monica was all full of apologies, and she sorta promised her shrink she wouldn't do it again -- but all the time, she was still pulling it.

 

So why the second tracking bug in the powder compact in Eva's purse? As back-up for those times Eva didn't wear her Rolex out somewhere. She'd still probably carry her purse.

 

 

Good catch.....

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I just don't know how he can't let himself be manipulated like that. He just won't quit her!!

 

Because she's been blaming him for all her unhappiness for ten years now -- she's made him believe he failed her by not loving her enough, something that taps into his own deeper issues of feeling he's unworthy of love, that he's damaged goods. Recently, she led him to believe he was the reason her marriage failed -- that he's somehow to blame for the fact that even another man couldn't make her happy, all because he'd broken her heart years ago.

 

She trapped the guy into a lather-rinse-repeat cycle with him desperate trying to someone "fix" things so she could move on with her life and be happy. He really wanted to finish business between them -- most especially after he met Eva and realized Eva was his future. But Corrine just wouldn't quit harping on the poor guy. "Fix me!!! Fix me!!!" was Corrine's tune to some poor guy who couldn't even yet get a good start on fixing himself.

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Because she's been blaming him for all her unhappiness for ten years now -- she's made him believe he failed her by not loving her enough, something that taps into his own deeper issues of feeling he's unworthy of love, that he's damaged goods. Recently, she led him to believe he was the reason her marriage failed -- that he's somehow to blame for the fact that even another man couldn't make her happy, all because he'd broken her heart years ago.

 

She trapped the guy into a lather-rinse-repeat cycle with him desperate trying to someone "fix" things so she could move on with her life and be happy. He really wanted to finish business between them -- most especially after he met Eva and realized Eva was his future. But Corrine just wouldn't quit harping on the poor guy. "Fix me!!! Fix me!!!" was Corrine's tune to some poor guy who couldn't even yet get a good start on fixing himself.

This is what I hope Eva can fix. That she can finally make him realize that Corinne is responsible for all of her "misfortunes" not Gideon.

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Good night ladies,

Gedeon and I have some serious trouble to keep our eyes open. We'll catch up tomorrow.

sweet dreams!!!!!!

Ciao!

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Exactly!!! Because he'd certainly had no trouble telling his mother "No" before.

 

It all ties back to Gideon's guilt over Corrine. Yes, he does have reason to feel some guilt -- he coldly used the woman every bit as much as he calculatedly played Eva's own emotions against her.

 

BUT ...

 

Corrine apparently installed his guilt buttons years ago, and for quite some time recently, she'd been hitting those buttons by calling him up from France, trying to "lean on him" during her "time of trouble." When what she really was doing was manipulating the poor guy. And she very calculatedly manipulated the vulnerabilities of his brand new girlfriend, a woman he loved deeply, purely for her (Corrine's) own selfish aims of driving a wedge between them. Which she succeeded in doing. So Corrine wasn't some innocent victim here. She was as much to blame for herself getting hurt as Gideon was.

Unfortunately this time the victims of this latest guilt trip were Eva and JFG...
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I did a little research

 

"Cherlin" is a surname that can be tied back to St. Petersburg (Russia not Florida).  There is a possibility that my "friend" does have some Russian ties.  That said, I'm still not sure that Tatiana is really a mob contact.  I think she is an evil bit*h who likes to play with people and Cary is her current toy.  She sees Deanna as a person who can push a wedge between Cary and Eva by making Gideon & Eva's life miserable.

 

Regarding Eva's compact bug.  Monica (or Mommica as she is now affectionately known), gives Eva gifts all the time.  Clothes, spa days, jewelry, etc. Eva wouldn't even think about a compact arriving from her mother.

 

I still believe that Clancy is behind the bracelet move.

 

Love reading all the theories.

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