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[Sharonm745]

Hi Sharon, 

I just wanted to clarify with you:  Are you saying that Monica was in pain before her daughter was abused or was in pain after her daughter was abused and she found out about it?  You clarification is greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance. 

 

If Monica married Barker because of money and not love don't you think that it is possible that Monica sold herself but in a different way?  They say that a woman who marries for money, earns every penny (i.e.  every sexual intimacy given in that marriage is one that is earned and one more reason to have resentment towards the marriage partner).  What do you think?

 

I don't think you and I will agree on Monica.  I don't hate her at all, in fact, I think she did her best for her daughter with what she had--her looks.  Yes I think Monica is still in pain and suffers greatly because of her daughter's abuse.  I believe that she has internalized that pain and hates herself so much that she is still in regular therapy. 

[GLH]

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[GLH]

What are the Gabriel books and who's the author?

Thanks!

 

!Hi there--

 

The GABRIEL books are GABRIEL'S INFERNO AND GABRIEL'S RAPTURE.  GABRIEL'S REDEMPTION is due out in Dec.  The author is Sylvain Reynard.  I love that this is a male author.  Gabriel is a Dante specialist and the author uses a lot of references to literature and art as well as travel to Italy.  I like that.  Gabriel is a very interesting man.  And some pretty great love scenes also.  Give a try.

 

I, too, started these kinds of books after FSOG.  Led me to Sylvia and of course, G and E.  I couldn't get enough of them and Sylvia's writing style.  

 

I think it is so interesting that we all are trying to find our vision of Gideon. I hope for his career that he gets the Christian Grey role.  I think it will get major promotion.  But as I said in a previous post, I see him as Gideon and his new girlfriend as Eva and always have.

[Sarah]

I didn't exactly go into a series of novels about gorgeous, powerful, young millionaires and billionaires who have electric chemistry and sex several times a day expecting perfect realism.   

 

But I will say that the one thing that kept jumping out at me as unrealistic was GIdeon's and Eva's work schedules.  I was surprised that Eva, even as an entry-level employee, works only 9-5 with an hour for lunch plus scheduled breaks in advertising in NYC.  I've never had an office job like that!  (It's more common, IME, to get 8-5 with lunch, but most people in the offices I'm familiar with tend to work longer hours than "required.")  As for Gideon . . . my husband is a young executive and he bucks the corporate trend by being home for breakfast AND dinner every day.  He puts in plenty of hours working from home in the evenings to make that happen (we have little kids and he puts them ahead of his career at this point).  But in no job he's ever had, has 9-5 including lunch and breaks been the norm.  Eva talks about Gideon "working late" if he has a meeting until 6:00.  I'd expect his norm to be at *least* 12 hour days in the office, with work at home after that. She acknowledges that he must be taking time away from his career to be with her, and I suspect that's true in a big way!  Sharing a limo to work at 9:00 AM?  What happened to his first three hours of morning meetings?!  (To be fair, if Gideon and Eva had only 6 hours a day outside of work, to include eating, sleeping, sex, and plot development, it would be challenging to tell an exciting story within those constraints.)

[Sharonm745]

I didn't exactly go into a series of novels about gorgeous, powerful, young millionaires and billionaires who have electric chemistry and sex several times a day expecting perfect realism. 

 

But I will say that the one thing that kept jumping out at me as unrealistic was GIdeon's and Eva's work schedules.  I was surprised that Eva, even as an entry-level employee, works only 9-5 with an hour for lunch plus scheduled breaks in advertising in NYC.  I've never had an office job like that!  (It's more common, IME, to get 8-5 with lunch, but most people in the offices I'm familiar with tend to work longer hours than "required.")  As for Gideon . . . my husband is a young executive and he bucks the corporate trend by being home for breakfast AND dinner every day.  He puts in plenty of hours working from home in the evenings to make that happen (we have little kids and he puts them ahead of his career at this point).  But in no job he's ever had, has 9-5 including lunch and breaks been the norm.  Eva talks about Gideon "working late" if he has a meeting until 6:00.  I'd expect his norm to be at *least* 12 hour days in the office, with work at home after that. She acknowledges that he must be taking time away from his career to be with her, and I suspect that's true in a big way!  Sharing a limo to work at 9:00 AM?  What happened to his first three hours of morning meetings?!  (To be fair, if Gideon and Eva had only 6 hours a day outside of work, to include eating, sleeping, sex, and plot development, it would be challenging to tell an exciting story within those constraints.)

 

You are right in real life a person in Gideon's position would never work 9 to 5 and lunches are often working meetings.  My husband and I often had to be at work at 7 for early morning meetings but we did schedule time for lunch together whenever possible.  It wouldn't make much of a love story though if they were both at work all the time. It is one of the things that made me crazy with the Corinne story arc.  Gideon could easily limit his time with her by working but then again, I guess it would ruin the story line. 

[Claude108]

 

!Hi there--

 

The GABRIEL books are GABRIEL'S INFERNO AND GABRIEL'S RAPTURE.  GABRIEL'S REDEMPTION is due out in Dec.  The author is Sylvain Reynard.  I love that this is a male author.  Gabriel is a Dante specialist and the author uses a lot of references to literature and art as well as travel to Italy.  I like that.  Gabriel is a very interesting man.  And some pretty great love scenes also.  Give a try.

 

I, too, started these kinds of books after FSOG.  Led me to Sylvia and of course, G and E.  I couldn't get enough of them and Sylvia's writing style.  

 

I think it is so interesting that we all are trying to find our vision of Gideon. I hope for his career that he gets the Christian Grey role.  I think it will get major promotion.  But as I said in a previous post, I see him as Gideon and his new girlfriend as Eva and always have.

 

Ok thanks! Yes I know these books, just wasn't sure.  I didn't know there was a third?

[Claude108]

The Twilight connection re FSOG I discovered afterwards and was not surprised because I was thinking and comparing constantly during my reading of FSOG with Twilight!

 

Yeah, there are lots of possiblities out there. For heaven´s sake!

 

!

 

sme

I had actually read FSOG origanally when it was written as a Twilight FFn.  I still have it on my computer...lol.  Also the Gabriel books(inferno/rapture) were also originally a Twilight FFn.

[Sharonm745]

DEAR GIGI, Pls see above!

 

Hi SME,

Who knew that we would be so similar…small world!

1.  RE MONIKA: I am not to angry any more with her! I thought about her and what you did say and the others about her and more and more I see I don´t know nothing about her upgrowing, her youth, her dreams, her fears! But I do know that challenging mothers are help you getting stronger and earlier mature than you might like to. 

 

 

2.  You must know I always did everything to understand my mother better. To cure her, to rescue her, to be her friend, to help to smoothe all the misunderstanding between her and my father. Both are still living, still living in a very challenging relationsship together!

 

My problem was mostly not that I didn´t understand her because she has similar very horrible scars, physically and emotionally. (Her real mother abandomed her at a church, she grew up in a foster home directely after the war (born 1946)  for around 5 years and suffered there due to hunger, emotional and physicall pain and disease. I do believe abuse is somehow involved but she doesn´t want to seek help or dive deeper in these matters. She was adopted by my grandmother (who did a lot great things for me and was in my very early years somehow my mother) with her my mother had a very difficult relationsship and misunderstanding, too! There was in her youth much fight, the attempt to kill herself and rescued by my grandfather (which I do love so much but he is gone!) in the last minute. My mum married young, my dad was a little older, but my mum has mostly deep wounds you can´t see!)

 

My mum was no bad mum and she was also very strict with me. Expecially with me she liked to become strong regarding all my physical disadvantages! I tried to save her all my life, her relationsship with my dad and so on. I know she loves me but she can´t do this unconditionally with me or with everyone. We are recently search for her ancestors (which she ever rejected) and we will see. My dad, my sister and I we want to know more, to understand and to extend the family.)

 

I have to learn to let her go, to stop trying to rescue her, to let her suffering and to learn and respects that not everyone wants the help from doctors, emotinally etc! My way is completely different. I did seek professional help and learnt so much on the way and all kind of tools that I helped others. 

 

But it is not so easy to see someone so close suffering and to know that is her way. And often she is like a child and depends on me which is sometimes a burden for me!  But more and more less in the last year. 

 

I feel a little bit raw to have you (and everybody who is here online) this personal story. 

 

3.  AND YES! EXactely my experience and observation! And I can personally understand EVa with this behavior but nevertheless I am sometimes furious about it!

 

4.  Hm, what do I think! I really don´t know any more. Both behaviours are not easy to digest! For me is the one behaviou worst than the other! Both woman are verv busy with themself, both are very beautiful and were or are married with very rich man. I don´t know if both were ever without substantial money or admiration from the male side or suffered physical harm or diseases! This can shape a person, mature a person. 

 

But we know quase next to nothing of their backgrounds! If I have to choose I would prefer Monika because I am more able to understand her fears, her insecurities! And she tries to have a relationsship with her daughter! So, everything is speculation .. we will find out .. at least at the end of book 5!

 

So, now I am exhausted! 

 

Enough for now .... 

 

Enjoy ....

 

SME

 

 

 

Hi SME,

 

   I don't hate Monica.  I think she did the best she could.  I can't imagine my parents turning me out on my own if I came home pregnant even if they didn't approve of the baby's father.  Not only did they turn her out they disowned her.  I think Victor helped Monica for awhile but she knew she needed money and refused to marry him.  I think Sylvia is going to fill in the blanks in the next book. 

 

Thank you for sharing your personal information.  I think it helps to understand Monica as a mother.  It isn't easy to cope with a parent who struggles with inner demons.  I admire your willingness to continue to try.  It would be easy to write off someone who is suffering.  I'm sure she knows in her heart that you want the best for her but, my guess, is she has closed herself off so completely that she doesn't know any other way.

 

Eva's promiscuity was her attempt to love and be loved.  It is sad and so many people in an abusive relationship become promiscuous.  It is a blessing that she had Victor to help her find a doctor to pull her out of her feelings of low self-esteem and prepare her to respond more appropriately. 

 

One thing that Sylvia said when I saw her at the meet & greet is that Elizabeth is a woman who had it all and then lost it.  She had the love of her life in Gideon's father, money and position.  When her husband committed suicide and it was found that he was involved in stealing and cheating, she lost everything.  Her defense mechanism was to put blinders on and take the position "If I don't admit anything is wrong then nothing is wrong."  This attitude served Elizabeth but not her children especially Gideon.  I think both mothers (Monica & Liz) are damaged but they will find their way through to their children.  It is a shame we can't write a happy ending for real life.

 

Thanks again for sharing. 

[Sharonm745]

I had actually read FSOG origanally when it was written as a Twilight FFn.  I still have it on my computer...lol.  Also the Gabriel books(inferno/rapture) were also originally a Twilight FFn.

 

I was trying to find the original FF.  Did she make a lot of changes?  I read some ff but then I get frustrated when the characters are changed so much that they don't resemble the people I like.  Most of the ff that I read are based on my favorite TV shows and when they have a character do something that I know would never happen I stop reading.  I haven't read any ff this summer because I have so many books to read.  I'm behind due to work and other things.

[Sharonm745]

 

Posted Today, 10:34 AM

Sharonm745, on 06 Jul 2013 - 7:05 PM, said:

Hi Sharon, 

I just wanted to clarify with you:  Are you saying that Monica was in pain before her daughter was abused or was in pain after her daughter was abused and she found out about it?  You clarification is greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance. 

 

If Monica married Barker because of money and not love don't you think that it is possible that Monica sold herself but in a different way?  They say that a woman who marries for money, earns every penny (i.e.  every sexual intimacy given in that marriage is one that is earned and one more reason to have resentment towards the marriage partner).  What do you think?

 

 

HI Sharonm and GIGI, 

 

my impression was always that Monika did love Nathan´s father! And that she was so enchanted that she didn´t see around her. But maybe I am wrong.

 

GIG: But if she married all the rich men to have a shelter, money and enough comfort than this would be for me like selling herself! And this did I suspect, I must say!

 

Sharonm: yes, I do agress! it could be difficult to detect any abusive behavior among your childrean growing up and with all the hormones stuff running wild in their body system!  

 

sme

 

 

 

 

 

 

SME,

 

  I'm not sure Monica was "in love" with Barker but she loved him for giving her what she needed at the time...security.  I don't think Monica "sold herself" to Barker.  I think she looked for men who could offer her love but also security, etc.  In Bared Eva said "they'd found the perfect arrangement." 

[Sharonm745]

 Hi Sharonm and Sarah, 

 

I do agree with you. The mentioned working hours are far away from reality! I was no executive but I only working from 8/9 to 5 with lunch break and little breaks was mostly not my reality. And a person like Gideon owning so many companies and involved in charity etc., would be busy around the clock. And somebody new in the ad department would have to work much longer to earn the merits.

 

And yes, Gideon has no boss - he can make breaks whenever he wants to. But I wondered, too, that he could spend so much time with Eva! But may you are right, Sharonm, his is a fiction story, no real life! 

 

For me is mostly the time frame of all 3 books to tight! All the events happened during two months or less! This is for me a little unbelievable. Within a half year or a year would - in my eyes- make the story much more believable.

 

What do you think?

 

sme

 

I think the quick time frame is a technique used in many romance books.  The "dating" that most of us go through is too time consuming for a story like this.  Although I have to say I met and married my husband in less than 6 months so it does happen.  We were ready to get married in 2 months but my dad died and I didn't want to burden my mom with another wedding.  My sister was already engaged and I didn't want to step on her time.  Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) she called off the wedding a month before the ceremony. 

[Claude108]

I was trying to find the original FF.  Did she make a lot of changes?  I read some ff but then I get frustrated when the characters are changed so much that they don't resemble the people I like.  Most of the ff that I read are based on my favorite TV shows and when they have a character do something that I know would never happen I stop reading.  I haven't read any ff this summer because I have so many books to read.  I'm behind due to work and other things.

Which original FF are you looking for? I acualy have both...The FSOG( Master of the Universe), and Gabriel's Inferno(The University of EdwardMasen).  I have them on my computer at home and i am away on vacation until Friday.  I could send them to you via email. I have them in a PDF format.

[insideofclouds]

Ladies... just wanted to say congrats to the ladies over in the UK for the Andy Murray win! Im all teary eyed and so happy he won! :)

[Claude108]

Ladies... just wanted to say congrats to the ladies over in the UK for the Andy Murray win! Im all teary eyed and so happy he won!

I know! just saw the match and he played awesome! It was great that he won!

[insideofclouds]

I know! just saw the match and he played awesome! It was great that he won!

I keep watching the highlights and I get goosebumps! I remember last year when he lost and how bad he wanted it and throughout the years how he just couldn't get close enough and finally this year he did it!

[Peachies]

I'm safe but I have some crazy neighbors who set off fireworks around 1 a.m. after the rain stopped. My sleep was interrupted so I'm not a happy camper this morning. Actually if they had regular fireworks it wouldn't have bothered me because I sleep like a rock but they fired off a couple of M80s close to my bedroom window. The sound scared me and I bolted upright in the bed. It took me a couple minutes to get my bearings. Once I was awake it took me till 3 to fall back to sleep.

Sharonm,

The same thing happened to me too.

[Barb55]

Which original FF are you looking for? I acualy have both...The FSOG( Master of the Universe), and Gabriel's Inferno(The University of EdwardMasen).  I have them on my computer at home and i am away on vacation until Friday.  I could send them to you via email. I have them in a PDF format.

 

 

I know that I am not Sharon but I would love to read these if you could email to me??  I will private message you my email address if you would want to??

 

Thank you in advance  

[Claude108]

I know that I am not Sharon but I would love to read these if you could email to me??  I will private message you my email address if you would want to??

 

Thank you in advance  

no problem...I just won't be able to send them until Friday night when I get back home.

[Barb55]

no problem...I just won't be able to send them until Friday night when I get back home.

 

That absolutely works for me thanks!

 

Have a nice vacation  

[fsumom]

I had actually read FSOG origanally when it was written as a Twilight FFn.  I still have it on my computer...lol.  Also the Gabriel books(inferno/rapture) were also originally a Twilight FFn.

Twlight connects everyone  LOL  That's interesting about the Gabriel books, I didn't know they were inspired by Twilight too !

 

Watching an interview with Henry the other evening, he was one of the 'finalist' for Edward !!!!   So even he connected to us thru Twilight.   I'm sure it has to be more than '6 degrees of Separation'.  

[Claude108]

Twlight connects everyone  LOL  That interest about the Gabriel books, I didn't know they were inspired by Twilight too !

 

Watching an interview with Henry the other evening, he was one of the 'finalist' for Edward !!!!   So even he connected to us thru Twilight.   I'm sure it has to be more than '6 degrees of Separation'.  

Lol..that's so true!

[GLH]

I guess I am the only person who never read any of the TWILIGHT  stuff.   I thought it was aimed at younger girls?  I did read that FSOG  was based on ff but that just confused me since it is hardly for young girls.  I did also read that Gabriel was based on ff but for the life of me I don't see a resemblance between Gabriel and Christian so I am not sure of the relationship.  I did read that Henry had been considered for Edward.  Since I never read the books, I don't know if the right choice was made.  Henry is very male to me and Pattison is boyish.  JMHO

[ShazScott1980]

I've never read TWILIGHT or seen the films either !

Pattiso.n I feel is toooo baby like to play Christian Grey never mind our Gideon Cross !

[insideofclouds]

I've never read TWILIGHT or seen the films either !

Pattiso.n I feel is toooo baby like to play Christian Grey never mind our Gideon Cross !

 

I agree, wrong actor to play either. 

[ShazScott1980]

Gideon and even Christian are strong powerful men in business and in the bedroom Pattison looks like you could blow him over not take him in the bedroom !