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I have a new question that I hope will stimulate some discussion LOL ....

Eva thinks Gideon has used the sex swing before since he seemed so familiar with the harnesses....

What does everyone think about this and who do you think he may have used it with??

 

I think he used the swing before but I'm not sure who with.   Eva's was a very intimate and sensual experience.  In the past I think it was more a bondage / toy experience.  If he hadn't used it before he would have come right out and said it.  Instead his response was vague and unanswered.  I asked someone in the BDSM lifestyle about swings and they aren't always used in conjunction with intercourse.  Sometimes these books that I read spark very interesting conversations. 

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I'm game to dive in to the chapter by chapter discussion. Idea, maybe start today with Chapter 1? Even though we all got that chapter before the book's various release dates around the world, there is stuff in there that makes sense when it ties into events that happen later. One more idea, maybe not confine ourselves to one chapter per day. Instead, someone starts with a particular chapter and we all hash out our various ideas. Then when someone feels ready, she starts the ball rolling on the next chapter.

 

So, in Chapter 1, anyone interested in talking about Elizabeth showing up unannounced first thing in the workday at Gideon's office instead of having the gumption to approach him the night before, as soon as she saw that ring on Eva's hand and/or right after the argument the two women had? Did Elizabeth wait because she was afraid of causing a scene? Was afraid of Eva? Of Gideon?

Why dont we start each post with what was our favorite part of the chapter and the least favorite part and then the poster can allso add miscellaneous comments as they wish... I will post later on tonight as I will not be home for the next few hours...Does everyone like that idea??

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So, in Chapter 1, anyone interested in talking about Elizabeth showing up unannounced first thing in the workday at Gideon's office instead of having the gumption to approach him the night before, as soon as she saw that ring on Eva's hand and/or right after the argument the two women had? Did Elizabeth wait because she was afraid of causing a scene? Was afraid of Eva? Of Gideon?

I think that she approached him at the office for various of reasons. For once I think yes, she's afraid of making a scene, and further I believe that a part of her want to be able to reach into Gideon, and perhaps she thinks she's got a bigger shot at that in his office, when they're alone. Also I don't think she want G to see the side of her that she've shown Eva...

I get so angry everytime she appears in the books

My knees weakens everytime G says "Crossfire" ... A small word with such a tremendous meaning, so that's got to be one of the parts I liked the most. My least favorite part got to be the when Eva confesses that she's got confused feelings for Brett..

I have one question by the way;

Page 3, when G is sifting through his e-mails, working his way towards, and I quote, "the subject line that had caught my eye the moment my e-mail opened"

Did we found out what that mail was all about? I got so curious...

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Why dont we start each post with what was our favorite part of the chapter and the least favorite part and then the poster can allso add miscellaneous comments as they wish... I will post later on tonight as I will not be home for the next few hours...Does everyone like that idea??

 

I think it's a great idea about discussing favorite and least favorite parts of each chapter.

 

What I especially liked in Chapter 1 was how Gideon treats Arash, which reminds me of how he treats Angus. He trusts and likes both men enough to lower his guard, and to actually listen to what they say and to weigh it instead of just ordering them what to do. He treats Arash differently than Scott, even though both men are in his inner circle. He treats Angus differently than Raul, even though both men are bodyguards. That's not to say he mistreats Scott nor Raul: he values both men and pays them very well. But they are employees. Arash and Angus something more than employees. They're friends.

 

Disliked Gideon throwing Corrine in Eva's face. Even though I understand what triggered it, his insecurity about Brett. What he did is in the same category as how he punished Eva in the limo after catching her kissing Brett. Still, it me off, because I hate Corrine like Eva does.

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I think that she approached him at the office for various of reasons. For once I think yes, she's afraid of making a scene, and further I believe that a part of her want to be able to reach into Gideon, and perhaps she thinks she's got a bigger shot at that in his office, when they're alone. Also I don't think she want G to see the side of her that she've shown Eva...

I get so angry everytime she appears in the books

My knees weakens everytime G says "Crossfire" ... A small word with such a tremendous meaning, so that's got to be one of the parts I liked the most. My least favorite part got to be the when Eva confesses that she's got confused feelings for Brett..

I have one question by the way;

Page 3, when G is sifting through his e-mails, working his way towards, and I quote, "the subject line that had caught my eye the moment my e-mail opened"

Did we found out what that mail was all about? I got so curious...

 

I don't think we ever did find out exactly what the email was about. My first guess is the beach house in North Carolina, which Gideon had been trying to buy. Later in the story, he succeeded. I suppose it's possible though that the email is about something entirely different we will find out about in the next book. Brett Kline started out as a one-sentence mention in passing in BTY, when Eva thought about her father's problems with past men (the musician and the tattoo artist.)

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Disliked Gideon throwing Corrine in Eva's face. Even though I understand what triggered it, his insecurity about Brett. What he did is in the same category as how he punished Eva in the limo after catching her kissing Brett. Still, it ###### me off, because I hate Corrine like Eva does.

At first I was on Gideon's side as her telling him about Brett was hurtful so he hit back. However there is a difference in that although neither of them wish to be involved with the other party, Eva is admitting that she still has a feeling of like for Brett, whereas Gideon no longer has that with Corrine.

However, later in the book when the karaoke evening occurs, I kind of interpreted Eva's reaction to hearing Gideon sing was that part of the attraction to Brett had been the voice and now she heard Gideon could sing his voice was replacing Brett's.

There can be an attraction to certain voices, the singer Mark Lanegan has a very deep baritone voice which I find quite sexy, there's a feeling in the pit of my stomach when he sings some songs, the man himself does not attract me at all but the voice itself can stir the emotions.

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Does anyone think Anne Lucas is the one who prescribed the wrong drugs to Corinne and may be manipulating her still into writing the tell-all? I thought that's what Eva was onto in EWY when she realized Anne is a psychiatrist (not a psychologist). And perhaps Anne is Elizabeth Vidal's therapist too?

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Does anyone think Anne Lucas is the one who prescribed the wrong drugs to Corinne and may be manipulating her still into writing the tell-all? I thought that's what Eva was onto in EWY when she realized Anne is a psychiatrist (not a psychologist). And perhaps Anne is Elizabeth Vidal's therapist too?

Welcome Purpleu; yes your thoughts are pretty much the general consensus of the forum and I think Eva will be the first to put it all together...

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Does anyone think Anne Lucas is the one who prescribed the wrong drugs to Corinne and may be manipulating her still into writing the tell-all? I thought that's what Eva was onto in EWY when she realized Anne is a psychiatrist (not a psychologist). And perhaps Anne is Elizabeth Vidal's therapist too?

 

 

Welcome Purpleu; yes your thoughts are pretty much the general consensus of the forum and I think Eva will be the first to put it all together...

 

Definitely, Purpleu, some people think the medication making Corrine's depression worse came from Dr. Anne Lucas. I especially think that now because of what Anne said when Gideon fought with her, that Eva is the weakness in his armor - that she bleeds. It was a big hint Anne plans to hurt her to hurt him. The timing was interesting: Anne started messing with Eva the night she appeared in public reunited with Gideon and people started talking about the engagement. I suspect Anne first latched onto his former fiancee Corrine during that time when people thought she and Gideon were a reunited couple. Anne could still be manipulating Corrine. sscrph -- wouldn't it be great if Eva figures it out just like she figured out what Terry Lucas did wrong.

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In today's Amazon UK reviews there is an interesting one from 'Tez Miller' who appears to see Gideon in a different light to how most see him. Reviewer has definitely read the book (I suspect a lot of the other 'reviewers' have either not bothered to read it or skimmed through it and missed a lot of the subtle points) but I'm not sure if they have really understood what Sylvia is trying to get across in this story? (I'm very much open to other points of views on this as, of course, I could be misinterpreting the story Sylvia is writing.)

The lead in to the review is "TRIGGER WARNINGS: Rape, sexual abuse, stalking, psychological abuse." You'll need to read the review to see why these words are used. The stalking I think we all understand is actually Gideon's need for Eva to be safe, particularly after Nathan and of course with what we now know about Anne.

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I've done  my second reading , slowly, and at the end of the book Im taking Arnoldos' side in regards to how I felt toward Eva. I would only like Eva  so as long she made Gideon happy but I really dislike her  stands towards her career and  how she  reacted and left for  4 days and how Gideon begged for her to come back or phoned him. The fact she couldn't decide if she could leave with him if he doesn't change  or if she could forgive him because  of what he did . Im really angry at Eva and my heart broke for Gideon. He deserves so much more.  Her career was a  minor  problem compared to what Gideon has done for her  and  to with her freedom taken away by Gideon when Gideon  gave it back to her. Gideon has been respecting her needs to be an  independent woman.  Im not happy with Eva after all. And I just realized  why Gideon was so hesitant to tell her everything and to not include her  to decision making.. because she hasn't fully given herself to Gideon . Eva not fully embracing  her new status as Cross wife makes Gideon really scared that she would still leave him  even though they were married. So he controlled things  that way he knew how.

 

I really hope  in One with you Eva would stop her attitude with regards to her self preservation,  and start to act as Gideon wife not only in bed because Eva is fast becoming my least fave heroine for hurting Gideon. 

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Someone posted this in Amazon UK thats wasnt resolve in CBY  .. lol.. we will need  10 books or more for this.  

 

Corrine
Anne
Dr Terry
Elizabeth Vidal
Monica's Back Story
Monica and Victor
Christopher
Cary & Trey
Cary & Tatiana
Cary & Eva
Detective Graves
Landon Corp
Arnoldo
Wedding No. 2
Honeymoon
Job situation
Sleeping situation
Living situation
Mark & Stephen's Wedding
Kids (would hate for their child(ren) to just appear in the epilogue, would love to hear about any pregnancy from start to finish)
Deanna (if this was solved as it stands in CBY, it would be hugely anti-climatic)
Brett (see above)
Mr Giroux (see above)
Megumi (see above)
Eva's development (see above)
Long and satisfying epilogue (think at least part of it was hinted at in CBY but we want more than one scene)

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Someone posted this in Amazon UK thats wasnt resolve in CBY  .. lol.. we will need  10 books or more for this.  

 

CorrineAnneDr TerryElizabeth VidalMonica's Back StoryMonica and VictorChristopherCary & TreyCary & TatianaCary & EvaDetective GravesLandon CorpArnoldoWedding No. 2HoneymoonJob situationSleeping situationLiving situationMark & Stephen's WeddingKids (would hate for their child(ren) to just appear in the epilogue, would love to hear about any pregnancy from start to finish)Deanna (if this was solved as it stands in CBY, it would be hugely anti-climatic)Brett (see above)Mr Giroux (see above)Megumi (see above)Eva's development (see above)Long and satisfying epilogue (think at least part of it was hinted at in CBY but we want more than one scene)

Just saying ... I think there will be another book beyond 5 ...

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Just saying ... I think there will be another book beyond 5 ...

I think that Sylvia has said that there will be only 5 books :( I agree it should be more, but maybe it will be a long book with many chapters. All the books were a day by day accounting of their daily lives, maybe she is going to jump into the future and have some flashbacks to explain some things.

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I think that Sylvia has said that there will be only 5 books :( I agree it should be more, but maybe it will be a long book with many chapters. All the books were a day by day accounting of their daily lives, maybe she is going to jump into the future and have some flashbacks to explain some things.

 

 

i dont get why people dont understand the theres-no-leap-in-time approach.  the only issue here i wanted to be resolved on its own spin off is Carys story because it was complex, Eva cant spent the her time in book 5 solving Carys' issues.  the rest were side dish story that shows Gideon and Eva's daily life. Im not interested to find out how, when and where Mark and Steven will get married ..  

 

I believed Brett and Deanna was resolved  . Corinne would be probably be wrapped up in the first few chapters  of OWY  depends if her books would be published  or not. She is not a threat except if Eva would be childish getting hurt  by reading Gideons' past relationship with Corinne which I hope she shouldn't because in book 5 I hope that their love and trust for each other was solid enough to get tied  up all the issue.

 

for me these are the  only issues remain though ..  Anne Lucas which was major and threatening, fixing Gideons' relationship with his family, major  progress  in his therapy that would lead to him and Eva not sleeping separately anymore , Evas' transfer to Cross industries and the wedding.

 

I think LanCorp was just a means to have a major crack between Eva and Gideon re Work so dont think theres more to it that would majorly shaken  book 5. it seems Lancorp and Cross industries is in  a healthy aggressive business competition - which is very common to big corporation. Landcorp trying to outsmart Gideon , Gideon trying to block him . as he said, they poke each other almost every week. What happened to Megumi was a means for Eva to consider working in Crossroads.

 

I think Elizabeth would come clean and apologize ( she should probably have a therapy with Gideon too)  and make an effort to change toward Eva   because her  marriage is on the  line. She wouldn't risk to lose it all and Gideon wouldn't let that happened because despite all the hurt and shamed ,he loves her mother. The whole Vidal family should got to therapy  .. so everyone would forgive themselves and get pass the grievance and blaming stage. 

 

That reviewer annoyed me a lot .. I almost replied to his review and ask for a war.. whay does he want an epilogue in book  4, the story is not over, ridiculous and talking about children ... grrrrr!  ..   and even Arnoldo , he is just a friend to show Gideons' social skills  . Mr. Giroux .. the man must be busy now running the casino Gideon has sold to him while waiting for his divorce .. 

 

some readers they asked for more but they complained  that its taken  book  5. I feel sorry for Sylvia  Im just glad  it was a bestseller . 

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In today's Amazon UK reviews there is an interesting one from 'Tez Miller' who appears to see Gideon in a different light to how most see him. Reviewer has definitely read the book (I suspect a lot of the other 'reviewers' have either not bothered to read it or skimmed through it and missed a lot of the subtle points) but I'm not sure if they have really understood what Sylvia is trying to get across in this story? (I'm very much open to other points of views on this as, of course, I could be misinterpreting the story Sylvia is writing.)

The lead in to the review is "TRIGGER WARNINGS: Rape, sexual abuse, stalking, psychological abuse." You'll need to read the review to see why these words are used. The stalking I think we all understand is actually Gideon's need for Eva to be safe, particularly after Nathan and of course with what we now know about Anne.

hi i couldn't find this review .. would you have a link?

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Question for those who know more about the subject - Eva has pushed Gideon to the point that he finally opens up to Dr Peterson about his abuse (with Dr Peterson up to then having assumed it was Gideon's father's suicide that was his problem).

I'm assuming that now Gideon has opened up and admitted to someone other than Eva what happened to him, does this magically heal him or would there be more to his journey to being as normal as an abuse victim can be? Eva has gone through considerable therapy to reach the point she is at but Gideon is only just starting so is it feasible that him opening up to Dr P is THE cure-all for him? He's got to deal with his dad's suicide, his mum's seeming rejection of him by disbelieving him, now the fact that his step-father had no idea and the feeling that if only he had gone to him rather than his mom things would have been very different, whatever the problem is between himself and his half-brother.

Corrine and Anne I'm not including as they are a sideline result of his childhood and family problems and I feel are more based on the women's relationship to him than what shaped his childhood and isolated him from his family, forming his icy character (which he only loses with Eva and Ireland and some of his friends).

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'm assuming that now Gideon has opened up and admitted to someone other than Eva what happened to him, does this magically heal him or would there be more to his journey to being as normal as an abuse victim can be? Eva has gone through considerable therapy to reach the point she is at but Gideon is only just starting so is it feasible that him opening up to Dr P is THE cure-all for him?

All victims are of course individuals, and likewise their healing process. I have met many survivors of abuse through my job in mental health care. Some people can not make it through therapy, it is too tough opening up, for many of them they will start reliving all their traumas ( for some on a daily basis). It is very common that they struggle with other issues as a consequence of what they experienced, and for keeping the secret all to themselves, f.ex anxiety, depression and even more serious metal disorders. Abuse is unfortunately a reason why many people becomes addicted to drugs and alcohol.

It will be different for a victim that was raped once, and for victims that has been abused for years, although they are both very traumatised. There are many factors that will influence the recovery process.

I believe that he has potential of recovery, but it will cost him determination, strenght, endurance. I don't believe that he will ve "fixed" within a few weeks or months, more likely a year or two, or even more. He'll have to open up to everything, tell everything, don't hold anything back (like Eva said). Every incident that he can remember, or the emotion that he feels, needs to be processed. He needs to understand who he is, and why he reacts like he does. It is complicated. He will need a lot of support, patience, time, love and security from the people that are close to him. The chaotic and negative emotions within him, needs to be normalized.

The abuse will of course be the hardest part, but I guess he has some sort of grieving concerning his mothers rejection, but also it may be hard on him knowing that Chris Sr never knew after all... Realistically he can be healed, but I think that it will take longer than the series will last. There is a chance that the nightmares will follow him until the end of his life, but less frequently. He will carry his memories with him every day, but hopefully the pain will ease with time, and he will get some peace of mind.

There is so much to say about this, and it will naturally be speculating since we are all different people, with different needs and different experiences (and the book is fiction, but still realistic).

I don't know if this was what you were looking for D500, but I hope it made some sense.

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opening up about the abuse, getting it out in the open will hopefully lead to Dr. Peterson helping him deal with it and having someone else besides Eva, Angus and now Chris Sr believe him that the abuse did actually happen. I am sure in the real world healing from the inside takes a great deal of time.

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All victims are of course individuals, and likewise their healing process. I have met many survivors of abuse through my job in mental health care, and life itself has given me experiences that I could easily been without. Some people can not make it through therapy, it is too tough opening up, for many of them they will start reliving all their traumas ( for some on a daily basis). It is very common that they struggle with other issues as a consequence of what they experienced, and for keeping the secret all to themselves, f.ex anxiety, depression and even more serious metal disorders. Abuse is unfortunately a reason why many people becomes addicted to drugs and alcohol.

It will be different for a victim that was raped once, and for victims that has been abused for years, although they are both very traumatised. There are many factors that will influence the recovery process.

I believe that he has potential of recovery, but it will cost him determination, strenght, endurance. I don't believe that he will ve "fixed" within a few weeks or months, more likely a year or two, or even more. He'll have to open up to everything, tell everything, don't hold anything back (like Eva said). Every incident that he can remember, or the emotion that he feels, needs to be processed. He needs to understand who he is, and why he reacts like he does. It is complicated. He will need a lot of support, patience, time, love and security from the people that are close to him. The chaotic and negative emotions within him, needs to be normalized.

The abuse will of course be the hardest part, but I guess he has some sort of grieving concerning his mothers rejection, but also it may be hard on him knowing that Chris Sr never knew after all... Realistically he can be healed, but I think that it will take longer than the series will last. There is a chance that the nightmares will follow him until the end of his life, but less frequently. He will carry his memories with him every day, but hopefully the pain will ease with time, and he will get some peace of mind.

There is so much to say about this, and it will naturally be speculating since we are all different people, with different needs and different experiences (and the book is fiction, but still realistic).

I don't know if this was what you were looking for D500, but I hope it made some sense.

Very helpful, thanks Anne. As it's fiction and spread over a short time span I guess Sylvia may speed up his recovery re the abuse (as we all want to know they can at the least share a bed and be close all night), but he will still have the killing of Nathan on his mind although I presume as he can talk to Eva about it she will have to be his therapist for that subject.

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