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Eva hasn't told Cary anything about Anne so he has no idea about her significance, and only Gideon really knows how dangerous Anne is. And like Dr. Travis, Anne is a mental health professional. It's possible she figured out some of Cary's triggers and so she would know what could make matters worse and she's sick enough to push those buttons. The Anne that I read about when Gideon barged into her office scared the heck out of me. Look at what buttons of his she tried pushing.

 

 

That's wrong in my opinion.  Cary did research on Dr. Lucas and saw a picture of his wife.  If you remember Cary and Eva talked about it in RIY.  Also after the fund raiser Eva was crazy to find out who the red head was.  Cary knows.

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I was under the impression that the only hard copy left of the s*x tape was the one Gideon has. Didn't Gideon have all other copies wiped?

 

Kirsten I thought the professional said they wiped all the copies they could find but there could be another one out there.   I'll have to check when I get home.

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In Chapter 11, pages 180 and 181. While Gideon kept Brett busy at his office, someone broke into his luggage and wiped clean his laptop and tablet. It was the latest move in other stuff the hired guns had done, including checking Brett's apartment, wiping out stuff on Sam's equipment and even hacking into accounts and computers of people Sam sent samples of the video (this must have been when Sam was shopping around for bidders willing to buy the whole tape.) When the experts were trailing the links they found out a full copy went to Christopher Jr. and they wiped it off his computer. But they also warned Gideon "it's possible there's a hard copy floating around, although we've searched Kline and Yimara's transactions records for security deposit boxes and the like." Gideon wants the experts to keep checking for any hint there's a hard copy still floating around out there.

 

This makes me wonder whether Gideon used these same experts to find and destroy all of Nathan's copies of the photos and video he took of Eva.

 

 

I should have read forward you found the section I'm thinking about. 

 

I don't think Nathan was that smart to keep a copy hidden.  If I remember correctly we were led to believe that he had all the pictures and videos in his hotel room.  I think the pictures Clancy left at the Russian mob guy were copies that he gave to Stanton.

 

OK forum members I have posted enough for today and have to get back to work. 

 

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That's wrong in my opinion. Cary did research on Dr. Lucas and saw a picture of his wife. If you remember Cary and Eva talked about it in RIY. Also after the fund raiser Eva was crazy to find out who the red head was. Cary knows.

I agree Sharon. Cary did research Lucas and noted his wife was a shrink.

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I am sure Cary knows all about Anne simply because he did do the research that Eva asked him to do. One of the first things that you read is about someone's personal life and he would have to know that Lucas was married to Anne and what she did for a living. I think she wore the wig to try to be in disguise.

As for the tape I would not be surprised if there was another one somewhere.

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I'm still not sure about Detective Graves myself however, I think this is SD's way of wrapping her storyline up.  Some of these issues have to stay closed or book 5 is going to 1000+ pages.

 

Eva's Krav Maga skills have to be used on someone other than Gideon.  She started them for self defense not to protect her against her husband...even though she used them for that.  Dr. Petersen is going to help Gideon control his nightmares.  (In real life there is no way a psychiatrist can lessen the nightmares in this short period of time.)  I still think she is going to take out Anne or  Brett or hopefully both.

I would like to see her take out Chris Jr too

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I had a typo... I meant that G should NOT see the s*xtape, because E will snap (and run)!

I think Gideon has learned his lesson regarding lying or being deceitful with Eva.  I don't think he will look at it without talking to her first. 

 

I think Brett has another copy of the video.  Christopher wouldn't think that Gideon could erase it however, the other option is that he gave a copy to his mother.  She saw it or knows about it because she mentioned it to Gideon.  If Liz uses it against Eva she will never heal her relationship with him or Chris.

Has Liz mentioned that *clearly got to read it again* ???? Chris Jr knows how much that file would be worth, so I'm not surprised if he's got a copy. Chris Jr is also afraid to loose his job at Vidal records and he could use that tape to try to blackmail G, and if he chooses to sell it he would get money and opportunity to punish G by hurtig Eva. I don't trust that man one bit. He might not be as loony as Anne, but still unstable. I think he would exploit every chance he could to backstab his brother.

Could there be any connection between Chris Jr og Anne, since they both want to get to Gideon...One loony to another...

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I would like to see her take out Chris Jr too

Maybe I'm nuts, but I'd like to believe that we've heard pretty much the end of Brett. That showdown at their 'picnic' lunch spoke volumes and what need would Eva have to ever see him again? I'm with you Ann. Let's breakout the Krav Maga on Christopher. I can see him stepping out of line with Eva and her not being afraid to put him back in his d*mn place.

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I had a typo... I meant that G should NOT see the s*xtape, because E will snap (and run)!

Has Liz mentioned that *clearly got to read it again* ???? Chris Jr knows how much that file would be worth, so I'm not surprised if he's got a copy. Chris Jr is also afraid to loose his job at Vidal records and he could use that tape to try to blackmail G, and if he chooses to sell it he would get money and opportunity to punish G by hurtig Eva. I don't trust that man one bit. He might not be as loony as Anne, but still unstable. I think he would exploit every chance he could to backstab his brother.

Could there be any connection between Chris Jr og Anne, since they both want to get to Gideon...One loony to another...

 

Ann,

 

I don't have my book with me (at work) but yes when she came to Gideon's office I'm pretty sure she mentioned the tape.  I'll have to check again when I get home.

 

Sharon

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Maybe I'm nuts, but I'd like to believe that we've heard pretty much the end of Brett. That showdown at their 'picnic' lunch spoke volumes and what need would Eva have to ever see him again? I'm with you Ann. Let's breakout the Krav Maga on Christopher. I can see him stepping out of line with Eva and her not being afraid to put him back in his d*mn place.

 

Actually now that you mention it I can see Eva taking down Christopher when she goes into one of her "protect Gideon" modes.  I would like to see that.

 

Kirsten I still feel like there is one more play left in Brett.  When he was in Gideon's office he mentioned something about he couldn't keep him away from Eva.  I think he is going to run into her and try to smooth her hurt feelings and try to convince her to give him one more try.  I might be wrong but something feels incomplete to me. 

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Ann,

 

I don't have my book with me (at work) but yes when she came to Gideon's office I'm pretty sure she mentioned the tape.  I'll have to check again when I get home.

 

Sharon

I've read it twice already waiting for the English version to arrive by mail (and not embarrassed to say so haha)

Enjoy the rest of your day :) I'm soon about to call it the night, time is now 23:00 in Norway.

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I think Gideon has learned his lesson regarding lying or being deceitful with Eva.  I don't think he will look at it without talking to her first. 

 

I think Brett has another copy of the video.  Christopher wouldn't think that Gideon could erase it however, the other option is that he gave a copy to his mother.  She saw it or knows about it because she mentioned it to Gideon.  If Liz uses it against Eva she will never heal her relationship with him or Chris.

in CBY page28-29 they only thing that Elizabeth said about Brett and Eva is that "she's involved with that singer Brett Kline" So I don't think that she knows about the video (the real one) not the "Golden" one. Won't Christopher be surprised when he goes to look at it again and finds out that it has "vanished"!!

as for Cary being with Anne more than once....hopefully he is not that dumb...he didn't even know the name of the redhead at the dinner when Eva was questioning him about who he was dancing with and then later after the closet....

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I would like to see her take out Chris Jr too

" He takes sibling rivalry to the extreme and he's unstable enough to make him dangerous..." This is direct quote by Gideon from BTY...

Perhaps Christopher's instability will come to the forefront in OWY... I think Christopher 's jealousy will finally bring him to a critical point...Gideon landed the hot girl and he's happy which is something Christopher cant't tolerate coupled with Gideon showing him who's boss at Vidal Records...Even Chris Sr sided with Gideon over the video issue and he usually does't take sides...I think Christopher is going to come on to Eva and or manhandle her in some way and she's going to give him a taste of the Krav Maga hopefully this will be a warm up for Anne and Corinne too...

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Eva hasn't told Cary anything about Anne so he has no idea about her significance, and only Gideon really knows how dangerous Anne is. And like Dr. Travis, Anne is a mental health professional. It's possible she figured out some of Cary's triggers and so she would know what could make matters worse and she's sick enough to push those buttons. The Anne that I read about when Gideon barged into her office scared the heck out of me. Look at what buttons of his she tried pushing.

So true Lighthouse Anne is very scary and I agree with you that Eva is not aware of what a danger Anne is and she certainly hasn't communicated anything about her to Cary because she really doesn't know that much herself. Cary would never deliberately hurt

Eva but it is very easy to see how someone as diabolical as Anne could manipulate an unsuspecting, vulnerable Cary. :(

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I have read the discussions on here for almost two years but just have never posted. I wanted to let everyone know that I truly enjoy reading viewpoints and diving deeper into the characters. Sylvia has done an amazing job! With that being said, I loved reading Gideon's POV! I hope we continue to get both in OWY.

Thanks again everyone. I felt compelled to post after seeing your posts about how others have given such negative book reviews. An author that writes a book that I read multiple times is amazing!

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I suspect Anne Lucas is messing with Cary's mind, using him as a pawn in some sort of plan to hurt Eva and thus hurt Gideon. Thanks to Raul's good work, we now know she was able to meet Cary, and it looks like that time Eva spotted her leaving the apartment building she had arrived in Cary's company. Cary has started cutting himself, self-destructive behavior. What if Anne is manipulating him mind to make his anxieties worse, make him unravel? It would fit the pattern if it turns out she prescribed depression medication to Corrine that made her depression worse. Good thing that Eva spotted Anne leaving the building and told Gideon about it. I definitely can see him putting a tail on Anne now and hopefully catch her not only in Cary's company but also Corrine's. Connect the dots and figure out just how dangerous a loon she is.

Hi Lighthouse,

I read your comments and I  was just wondering how you would your surmise Anne being able to control Cary emotionally?  If we are to believe what Cary said in the last book; he and Ann didn't have s*x.  So could could a potential "quickie" turn into something more serious?  What do you believe happened between Cary and Ann (hypothetically of course)?

 

Cary had very serious problems in the past and he isn't that far outr of rehab.  His poor choices (of a s*xual nature) have literally blown up in his face and as a result he is now forced to deal with very serious emotional issues that he may not be ready to deal with on a psychological level. 

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Brett still has the video of him and Eva having hot sex. What if he thinks her seeing it would make her remember how great things were sexually during their brief relationship? He's cocky enough (pun intended) to think he's the best she ever had and no way can Gideon satisfy her like that. He pretty much said so in Gideon's office. I think if he ever did show Eva the tape it would backfire horribly for him. It also could be healing in a way for Eva to see the desperate and messed up young woman she used to be before Dr. Travis started helping her to get her head on straight.

Hi Lighthouse,

I read your coments and I respectfully have to disagree about Eva viewing the video tape.  I think that she would feel horribly violated, which in fact she was.  She never gave consent/permission to have another man watch her and video tape her engaging in a s*x act.  That would be akin to her participating in a type of , which I couldn't see her doing.  In Canada, a person can be charged criminally for videotaping a person engaging in a s*x act without consent.  Making copies and distributing them can also result in further charges of distributing . 

 

Regardless of what Brett's motives were, as misguided as they may have been, he committed (with Sam Yimara video taping) some very serious offenses.  I would have to seriously sit back and question just how "innocent" Brett was in this whole scenario.  I can only apply real life common sense to a situation like this.  I would think that most men would be beyond angry about finding out one of their "crew members/roadies/band mates, etc." had not only video taped them having s*x with their girlfriend, but they also watched, which I couldn't see many men being ok with that.  What guy would want to have another guy sit back and have him have s*x with his girlfriend?  I can't see it.    

 

Eva was also taped and photographed by Nathan when he would rape her.  I think that viewing the "s*x tape" between her and Brett might trigger some very horrific past abuse memories.  Eva knows all to well that she was a "recovering sl*t" (her words) and going back to revisit past events that she was clearly remorseful about, would only open up old wounds unnecessarily.  What do you think?  What does everyone think?

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I was under the impression that the only hard copy left of the s*x tape was the one Gideon has. Didn't Gideon have all other copies wiped?

 

 

Yes that is correct I wonder if Brett has discovered that his copy is gone?

Hi Kirsten & Sscrph,

That was my impression as well.  Oh how I would love to be a fly on that wall when Brett finds out that his copy of the s*x tape has been errased!  Simply delicious!! Justice in action!!  :)

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Actually now that you mention it I can see Eva taking down Christopher when she goes into one of her "protect Gideon" modes.  I would like to see that.

 

Kirsten I still feel like there is one more play left in Brett.  When he was in Gideon's office he mentioned something about he couldn't keep him away from Eva.  I think he is going to run into her and try to smooth her hurt feelings and try to convince her to give him one more try.  I might be wrong but something feels incomplete to me. 

Holy moly Sharon!

Now that would be quite the scenario considering that Eva is married to Gideon!  Oh let the fireworks begin!!

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So true Lighthouse Anne is very scary and I agree with you that Eva is not aware of what a danger Anne is and she certainly hasn't communicated anything about her to Cary because she really doesn't know that much herself. Cary would never deliberately hurt

Eva but it is very easy to see how someone as diabolical as Anne could manipulate an unsuspecting, vulnerable Cary. :(

Hi Sscrph,

I read your comments and I agree that Anne is dangerous.  I guess what I am having trouble seeing is how could Anne gain an opportunity to get to Eva.  That woman is gaurded more closely the the Queen's crown jewels.  :)

 

I could see Corinne, Brett, Mad Dog LIzzard Vidal or even Detective Graves getting access to Eva more easily.  Although Detective Graves has sort of/kind of implied that she will let Nathan's murder rest, her comment about wanted an "invite" to the wedding may indicate that she isn't going to want to play "nice". 

 

Thank you by the way, you did a great job of pointing that out! :)

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Hi Lighthouse,

I read your coments and I respectfully have to disagree about Eva viewing the video tape.  I think that she would feel horribly violated, which in fact she was.  She never gave consent/permission to have another man watch her and video tape her engaging in a s*x act.  That would be akin to her participating in a type of ######, which I couldn't see her doing.  In Canada, a person can be charged criminally for videotaping a person engaging in a s*x act without consent.  Making copies and distributing them can also result in further charges of distributing ######. 

 

Regardless of what Brett's motives were, as misguided as they may have been, he committed (with Sam Yimara video taping) some very serious offenses.  I would have to seriously sit back and question just how "innocent" Brett was in this whole scenario.  I can only apply real life common sense to a situation like this.  I would think that most men would be beyond angry about finding out one of their "crew members/roadies/band mates, etc." had not only video taped them having s*x with their girlfriend, but they also watched, which I couldn't see many men being ok with that.  What guy would want to have another guy sit back and have him have s*x with his girlfriend?  I can't see it.    

 

Eva was also taped and photographed by Nathan when he would rape her.  I think that viewing the "s*x tape" between her and Brett might trigger some very horrific past abuse memories.  Eva knows all to well that she was a "recovering sl*t" (her words) and going back to revisit past events that she was clearly remorseful about, would only open up old wounds unnecessarily.  What do you think?  What does everyone think?

Totally agre with you Gigi and that's why I think it so romantic that Gideon is tearing down Pete's bar...Eva doesn't like to remember the girl she once was...her words...so in a small way Gideon is making it easier for her to forget.

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in CBY page28-29 they only thing that Elizabeth said about Brett and Eva is that "she's involved with that singer Brett Kline" So I don't think that she knows about the video (the real one) not the "Golden" one. Won't Christopher be surprised when he goes to look at it again and finds out that it has "vanished"!!

as for Cary being with Anne more than once....hopefully he is not that dumb...he didn't even know the name of the redhead at the dinner when Eva was questioning him about who he was dancing with and then later after the closet....

 

 

You're right.  I guess I was writing my own story in my head.  I was certain she said something about the tape.    I guess Christopher was bad mouthing Eva to her.

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I am sure Cary knows all about Anne simply because he did do the research that Eva asked him to do. One of the first things that you read is about someone's personal life and he would have to know that Lucas was married to Anne and what she did for a living. I think she wore the wig to try to be in disguise.

As for the tape I would not be surprised if there was another one somewhere.

I agree with you. I think Cary has seen pictures of Anne when he did the research of Dr.L.

Didn't Cary also tell Eva in CBY, that he had quit sleeping around? Even monks got more action than he did (his words). He tries to take responsibility for making Tat pregnant, and he wants to make his relationship with Trey work. We don't know who the redhead at the gala was, regardless it's far from messing around one evening and having "an affair"?!?

Since I'm on the subject, do you think it is Carys child? I'm hoping that it's not, it will ruin so much for him. I want him to be able to "grow up" and find some stability in his own life first. I want him to feel independent and have a healthy relationship. He experienced so much crap in his life and I wish all the good tings for him. A part of me thinks that Tat is taking advantage of Cary, sort of fame and glory. He lives in a great appartment, celebrity friends and a promising career and perhaps she thinks he's more wealthy than he is. There is something about that pregnancy that don't add up for me... It might be that I REALLY don't like her, she should rather go for Chris Jr!

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