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A almost feel sorry for Elizabeth ,imagine having to look at youseself in the mirror after you find out your son was telling the truth about being sexually abused and you didn't believe him.How do you ever get over the fact that you've failed your child in such a fundamental way ?

Morning Gigi A big part of me agrees with what you've said above.Eva has taken big leaps in growth in a lot of ways ,we see her as more assertive with the people in her life .She's managed due in part to what Gideon did for her to overcome her issues with jealousy so really big ups to her.With the whole Brett issue I have great confidence that she wouldn't fall into bed with him but I also think until she understands clearly why she gets hot and bothered around him ,why the memories of-the past resurface with such intensity that they have an impact today even though she's in love with someone and what it is about herself that seems to need the kind of attention he gives her she's not in a place where she can say she's resolved the issue and my fear which some posts from yourself and other members of the forum have helped me with is what would happen if he caught her at a weak moment and upped the ante on his seduction would she be able to say no decisively because she has struggled to put up firm boundaries with him and also struggled to say no at times .Like other folks have commented she does need to see Dr Travis to clear up some historical as well as present issues . If Brett forced himself on Eva I think she would kick his a s s before the deed was done ,I expect Cary would help with that .I don't even want to think what Gideon would do.

Well said Sharon and nobody wants this couple to go down such a dark path .I have more confidence in Gideon though as he was never in l u s t with an ex while with Eva.I do believe Gideon is partly responsible for the Brett factor when he didn't heed her warning about Corinne back in Bared.

So perfect !!

Your first statement is comforting until I go back for a re-read then I'll pick up stuff and drive myself crazy again.For instance when She told Brett she was going to SD she specified "just me and Cary"why ?Anyway ....totally understand about not being able to cheer for a character that crosses that line it sort of damages the integrity of the character.

I really really hope she doesn't cheat ,I've had low grade anxiety about cheating since we came across Brett and he made her feel stuff.Its very tough to predict/relate to the actions of people who have gone through and are as damaged as Eva and Gideon ,Sylvia says she's the narrator so who knows where these two characters will take her but I hope it's not down that road.

Tx Julie .Absolutely right she needs to go to SD perhaps when she gets insight on why she has these feelings for Brett we will too.Out of the whole book it's the one thing I've been bugged about.

This is so possible.

Hi Julie I think you're absolutely right .I don't much care about Brett and what he is feeling and what he feels wouldn't be relevant if I didn't feel that Eva reciprocates some of those feelings.I badly like everyone else want her and Gideon to be happy together without the exes but every time she interacts with Brett I can't help feeling she's gonna mess up in a big way .What is it do you think about Brett for Eva ?

Yup ! I think you're spot on.

Laughing out loud at that Julie.

I can sort of see that but being a mistress is not such a big deal in relative terms and what she seemed to want to tell Eva sounded more ominous.

Hi Julie I have no clue but at a wild guess she could have had a trust fund that her parents couldn't interfere with but that's just pure speculation.I agree it sounds like she's hiding something bad .

Hi GiGi and SharonM745 I also don't think Monica was ever an escort ,I do think that her marriages have been transactional which is a different kind of selling yourself ,I think she sold her body ,beauty and yes her soul the only assets she perceived herself as having for financial security social standing and I think that the financial security was more for Eva's sake and less about herself .I think once she got pregnant with Eva she gave up on being with the man she loved Victor which must have been a great sacrifice because given how she grew up she learned to equate financial security and social standing with happiness and she wanted that security for her daughter even if it was at great cost to herself and she knew that Victor wouldn't be able provide the future she envisioned for her daughter.I also think that most of her decisions were driven by wanting to provide for her daughter some of them misguided and gone about in the wrong way yes but coming from the best possible place.

Especially when it concerns someone else! I feel very bad for him though in this book because Eva is now married to Gideon and even though they'll always have each other it's not quite the same and he has all the Tatiana c .r .a.p to deal with .

It would be brutal and I think a giant trigger for him .

LOL.

Perhaps he could discuss /unburden to Angus if he knows as much as we think he does .One other thing that's just occurred to is if he doesn't discuss it with Eva how would we know how he went about it because the story is told from her POV and I must say I'm really really curious about how it went down all the way back from when he was kicking Nathan's backside in his office.I'd like to know how Nathan introduced and all the interactions right up until he killed him.

Thank you GiGi ,often the difficulty is in the subtleties /nuance .

Great LN Cronan thanks the "he doesn't have to say I killed Nathan to count as a confession" clears it up for me .Your posts about the American legal framework are very helpful too.

Hi Michelle ,thank you for your answer but where I was going with this and I see I may be wrong is that although Gideon did in fact kill Nathan and we as the readers know it and so does Eva is that he never came out and said "I killed Nathan " and I was asking the question because if Eva were questioned or was in court about statements made by Gideon before they were married and the cops asked a yes or no answer about whether or not Gideon confessed to killing Nathan to her the answer would have to be no .They have talked about/around it but he hasn't made a definitive statement about it .He said he killed a man never who (could be metaphorically )can you live with what I've done ,even when she said you killed a man for me he never agreed clearly he had etc perhaps I'm splitting hairs but my thinking was that all of that would be her protection against being an accessory after the fact to the murder and that anything said after marriage would be protected by the sanctity of that union.English is not a first language for me and I may not be coming across very clearly .

Tx for the chapter 8 reminder .

Got you Sheens and thank you . I think at some point he will need to talk about it to her because Eva is the only person he can share this with safely in order to heal from the nightmares he now has because of Nathan and what he did, he will need to unburden to someone and she's the only person he can do that safely with because they are married and as i understand from previous posts cant testify against him .SD has woven such an intricate storyline it's brilliant!

Hi ! I don't know if I'm right but I don't think Eva and Gideon haveever talked about him doing the murder directly or him admitting to it to Eva.Theyve talked around it and about it but Gideon has never come out and said he's done it nor has he told how he did it.Three conversations come to mind where they have alluded to Gideon killing Nathan is when Gideon is telling Eva what the options were for keeping her safe that's in Chapter 1 or 2 and the second time is when she says you killed a man for me and he responds his love is not an obligation third time is when he says he left the bracelet on Nathan but he has never explicitly said .Based on this I would think that Eva has no knowledge that Gideon killed Nathan from Gideon himself but rather from Detective Graves. I could altogether wrong ,would welcome any other view /correction.

I think so too Sheens.