Rogue

I don't think Magdalene fully accepted Gideon was in love with Eva and she didn't have a chance with him and it was time to move on until she walked in on them in the library. She might have realised something was different about this relationship before that, but I think it was at that point she decided it was time to move on. Another motivator for her during the following week was Corinne's return, but if you think about it, Magdalene had already cut her hair before she knew Corinne was back. She'd decided it was time for a new look and a new start. Later, during the dinner she realised that the fact that Corinne was back was irrelevant, Eva was the one Gideon wanted. She also realised that she had a chance to make amends with Eva for the first time they'd met by telling her Corinne's game plan the night before.

Agree completely Elizabeth would tell no-one the details of that conversation - she didn't even discuss it with Gideon. But likewise Corinne has elements of her 'chat' with Eva that she wouldn't be forthcoming about. We know for a fact she rang Gideon immediately after Eva left (he says as much when he catches up with her at Lucas' office) but whatever she says to him she clearly leaves out the little stunt she just pulled.

But Tatiana wasnt there the night of the orgy. Nor would she know about the fight between Gideon and Brett. Cary is too loyal to Eva, he would not be telling these stories to someone like Tatiana, who he doesn't even particularly like himself.

But this is what I can't figure out, if she hasn't forgiven Gideon / is still harbouring a grudge, why tell him about the sex tape? Its release would hurt both Eva & Gideon and she'd get revenge by seeing them hurt & embarrassed by the media... I just can't work out her agenda at all...

So do you think once she's made her money on the wedding photos her desire for revenge will return? Or is she trying to get Gideon back in bed?

I don't think this is likely. First of all, Magdalene wants Gideon for herself at this point so she wouldnt encourage Corinne to return to NY. Also Magdalene only learns of Eva's existence at this event and she considers Gideon and Eva finished by the end of the night - he'd stuck his in her so he was done - she recognised the signs...

So do you think she's forgiven him and now just wants to be a friend? Is that why she's helping? How come she waited for Eva to be away from the table before approaching Gideon? Eva likened her to a snake sliding in while her back was turned.

If it's true that Gideon let Arnoldo know that something had come up and he wouldn't be at the restaurant - this is what bugs me about Gideon. If he had time to let Arnoldo know he wasn't going to make dinner, he had time to text Eva & let her know what was going on. Instead he leaves her panicking about his reaction to the Golden video for several hours! Likewise when he buggered off to California to sort out the sex tape - all that required was a simple 2min phone call - sorry something urgent has come up in California, I'll be back tomorrow, we'll talk then. I would kill my husband if he pulled crap like that on me especially after what had just happened at the hospital!!

I can't figure out Deanna at all... Why did she suddenly start gunning for Gideon when she did? When was their night together? You would assume shortly before Eva came on the scene, but why does it take her approximately 2 months to start approaching Magdalene etc? Would an apology really make her stop targeting Gideon after what he'd done? Yes probably if she wanted another shot at him. What doesn't make sense in that scenario though is her sharing the information about the sex tape. Surely you could assume its release would cause a rift between Gideon & Eva which Deanna could try to exploit. However, telling Gideon about the sex tape helps to get her on his good side, maybe thats her angle. I just cant figure out her agenda at all. What does everyone else think?

I agree completely, this was my exact thoughts regarding the conversation with Graves.

The first night Gideon and Eva are seen in public together, Corinne rings Gideon from France to say her marriage is over and to ask for his help getting settled in NY. The pictures of Gideon and Eva wouldn't have been online until the next day, therefore Eva is not the reason Corinne decided to end her marriage and come back and fight for Gideon. That decision was made before she learnt of Eva's existance.

I think the main difference between Corinne and Magdalene is that Magdalene knows who Gideon really is. They've been friends for a long time and she knows and loves the real man. Corinne is in love with a figment of her imagination, whether its because of their sexual relationship or not I don't know. But Corinne doesn't know the true Gideon. She hears what she wants to hear when he speaks, she doesn't understand his true character because if she did she'd have realised a long time ago that he never really loved her. Corinne has been married for X years to JFG, a man who truly loved her, yet in her head he doesn't love her at all. She doesn't see what's right in front of her face and I'm starting to think she never has. Maybe I was wrong before, maybe she is delusional.

Totally agree, JFG has every right to be mad at Gideon for his actions here. What I meant was him believing that Gideon had been manipulating Corinne to return to NY and being angry with him for that. A simple google search would have told him that Gideon was involved with Eva before Corinne showed up in NY so he was hardly trying to woo her away from her marriage and back to him. In that matter Gideon is not the one to blame - Corinne is.

I think Magdalene has seen the light finally. I think part of her reason for talking to Eva that day was to warn her about Deanna and gauge how she would handle her. But I think a large part of it was her trying to make amends with Eva by telling her Corinne was out of the picture. I think she realises that Gideon wants Eva and will eventually get her, and if she wants to continue her friendship with him she needs to become friends with Eva. Magdalene has known Gideon a long time and if she truly loves him she wants what is best for him. Because of the length of their friendship she knows he has never been happier than when he is with Eva.

I agree Gideon doesn't want his mother hurt by another financial crisis, however there is no way he would protect her from such a thing at the expense of Eva! Gideon as the majority shareholder could probably demand Christopher Jr be fired if he started playing games like that, with the threat that he will sell his shares to another label & Vidal Records would be no more.

I see what you mean, and I agree thats probably whats going on in JFG's head before he meets Eva. However, once he sees Gideon & Eva together, he acknowledges to Eva that Gideon is different with her. At this point its likely he shifted the blame back to where it belonged - his wife. Between his interactions with Gideon & Eva he likely realises Corinne is the one causing problems because they both seem solid. He won't acknowledge this to himself for a while though now Corinne has lost the baby. It's easier to blame Gideon than accept both Corinne and his own failures in this sad tale.

The biggest issue I have with believing Corinne is several months into divorce proceedings is that, she has been holding a candle for Gideon all these years, she has finally decided to end her marriage and try to get him back. If that's her priority, every minute she spends away from him is a minute he might meet someone else. The impression I always got from the first 2 books was that she immediately ran to Gideon when her marriage ended. It's not like she needs to have the divorce finalised before she can start dating Gideon again. Plenty of people divorce while residing in different countries and it wouldn't have required that many trips to finalise.

Another clue for Magdalene that Gideon and Eva had reconciled was the black magic roses in Gideon's office that day. The last time (that we know of) Maggie was in Gideon's office, she was eating lunch surrounded by Eva's flowers.

Yes I think he was. Given his comments about his promise ring in RIY when he says he never takes it off and never will, I think we can safely assume the same is true of his wedding ring.

I'm not sure that any of the Vidal's know about the sex tape. It is likely that Christopher knows about the fight between Gideon and Brett, and we know that he knows Eva is Golden - Christopher may have told his mother that Eva is now dating Brett but Gideon was trying to get her back at the Times Sq event. If Elizabeth knows about the fight between Gideon and Brett (and the reason behind it) this could explain her comment. I really dont see Gideon sharing the information with any of the Vidal's about the sex tape, and he currently has a temporary ban on anyone releasing it or releasing any information about the court proceedings. How would they know about it? The guy who's trying to sell it would have been approaching media outlets to sell it not the record company.

Good point. I hadnt thought of that scenario for how she got pregnant and I agree its plausible. Though, something about JFG's anger towards Gideon makes me believe this is a more recent break up, also the fact that he still seems somewhat hopeful that he might have a chance of winning Corinne back. If they were several months into a divorce I imagine he might have been more resigned to the fact he had lost her and have started to move on. I disagree however, that Corinne was incapable of rational thought by the time she left France. All of her interactions with Eva, namely the 2 times she tried to convince her she'd been F(&^*** Gideon, she had very little time on both of those occasions to think about how to act, and yet she took advantage of both occasions in a very calculated way to make Eva jealous. Both times she makes a lightning fast decision to turn the situation to her advantage and can think clearly enough to formulate a plan almost instantly. That doesn't strike me as irrational, desperate maybe but not irrational. I must say I am really enjoying discussing and learning others views and ideas. Its great reading other peoples take on certain scenes and opens up a different way of thinking that may not have occurred.

Ok I get where you're coming from. Although based on the fact she was pregnant and JFGs reactions in EWY, my personal belief is that the marriage fell apart shortly before she headed to NY and they were not particularly far into the divorce. Why would you still be sleeping with someone when you're months into divorce proceedings? Something else to consider though... we know Gideon is a dominant, and we're fairly sure from Corinne's words in Bared about his possessiveness that this was the role he took in their relationship also - in fact some have even speculated that he collared Corinne. Anyway knowing that about him how would she hope to convince him this child was his? If he took the dominant role he would insist upon attending ultrasounds and being fully aware of all aspects of this pregnancy. Or are you saying you dont believe Corinne to be capable of rational thought by the time she decides to leave France? Maybe its because of my nature - I over think EVERYTHING - but I find it hard to believe schemers dont at least consider the possible outcomes of their actions.

But if she didn't come back to NY until week 6-7, how could she possibly be married to Gideon by week 12?! Granted if she'd slept with him shortly after arriving she might be able to convince him that he'd 'knocked her up' (though I still don't think she'd have had much luck convincing him he was 100% the father and making him feel that obligated to her especially if she 'lost' the baby a few weeks later) as I've said before he would know at the first ultrasound and Gideon is the type of man who checks the facts of a situation before making decisions. Corinne must know this. She doesn't know a lot of things about him, but that part of him is in his very nature, it's one of the things that makes him such a good businessman. Is she crazy probably, delusional maybe but she's not stupid - no-one schemes like Corinne does and doesn't consider the pitfalls they are likely to encounter. I just think we are so desperate to hate her that we are all automatically assuming the worst about her. Don't get me wrong I think she's a scheming manipulative b**** but there's a limit surely? Risking a baby to take anti-depressants? attempting suicide over a man while knowing your pregnant and not just risking your life but the life of your child? Is she really that heartless? What she's done to Eva to try and get Gideon back is pretty horrible but this... this is a whole other level.... ETA: Especially if the suicide attempt is all another manipulative stunt to get Gideon back!

Perfect sense. That's exactly what I thought he meant too :)

But if Angus had done it he would have told Gideon for the same reasons you've stated. Gideon has Angus and Raul investigating who it might have been. Surely Angus would have come forward at that point and said "you can stop worrying it was me. Put it behind you and move on." Clancy on the other hand, as you said yourself, doesnt have a personal relationship with Gideon. In fact I don't think he did it for Gideon, i think he did it for Eva, to protect the man she loved as he had failed to protect Cary. Clancy may not even be aware that Gideon is investigating who covered up his crime. Eva certainly never discussed it with him. I think if Gideon were to find out that Clancy was the one to cover up Nathan's murder he would feel secure enough. He would realise he had done it to protect Eva and would probably realise he didnt have any agenda with regard to blackmail. I think he'd probably hire Clancy away from Stanton as Eva's personal bodyguard.