julie54

Plus she knows nothing about Eva. Thinking Eva is trying to take him from her. Please. Eva wants him to find healing.

I've mentioned this before. Do you think she is still seeing a shrink? Her behaviour is a bit erratic. I think she is.

I remember us having these convos back then. We all know Lizzie is delusional.

Nothing like a bit of reminiscing. Seems so long ago. I think we covered every angle, theory known to man. But you can bet your bottom dollar, Sylvia has a trick/twist up her sleeve.

I had said months ago that there was a possibility that Gideon tracked down that ring since in all likelihood with the money that Geoffrey had scammed from people most of their stuff would have been seized and sold at public auction to recoup losses. I am not sure what type of relationship Lizzie thinks she has with Gideon, but clearly the woman is delusional.

Kirsten, your right about her being delusional. From the way Gideon froze her out from the garden party you would think he had nothing to do with her. But in Entwined he still wouldn't let her suffer financially after the Ponzi scheme.

I wish you had told me that sooner. I might have waited until book five to start this...No I think I would rather suffer through their struggle with guys and get to the HEA. (I am guessing HEA means "happily ever after")

Yes it does. And we all want it for this couple in bucket loads

I know Sharon and I were messaging about this exact same thing last night, how no matter how many times we read it we tear up.  The nightmares almost get to me the first 2 nightmares for sure!

I have to admit, this is the first book I have ever cried over. The emotion was unbelievable. Heartbreaking. When he attacked her in her home whilst having a nightmare, and she wouldn't give up on him. Omg! So sad.

Hi Betty. I was a bit surprised they got married in EWY. I thought for sure we would have to wait until book 5. I think the reason why it was done is because it not keeps them bound together regardless of what happens in this next book, and I am anticipating this next book to be pretty heartbreaking. No doubt Gideva love each other, but sometimes life becomes overwhelming and you want to just give up. This ensures that they don't.

I agree Kirsten.

Although we're told there's a HEA, it's going to be one helluva journey for them. And us. I don't think heart break will be sufficient to label it. :(

It's close enough to your bedtime Julie.

 

  

Julie I actually have this picture saved on my computer because he looks so happy.

You little treasure Kirsten.

I will go to bed a happy bunny. :)

  Poor Gid/Eva

I have missed your little cartoons. And Kirstens Henry pics before bedtime. :)

Julie,  Sylvia posted

Sylvia Day As soon as a release date is set, Penguin will announce it and I'll put it up on my site. I'll send out a newsletter and spread it on social media. Promise!

  

She did stay with Penguin for books 4 & 5.

Thanks girls.

Lets hope they don't hash it up this time. :)

Julie~ Sylvia originally self published BTY on 4/3/12

thanks for info Kirsten.

Has she gone with penquin for books 4 & 5? I can't remember what was said

This is actually for all the Ponzi schemer questions.   First this is handled by the FBI.   It also depends on the monies involved and such.   Madoff got 150, others have gotten 20 or 40 - all depending on the monies involved.

 

Ponzi schemers are too selfish to kill themselves but we also have to understand this book is not real life.   I've always had in the back of my mind that he was murdered but we will soon find out.  Hopefully sooner than later.

Well ladies

Looks like us three are on the same page where Geoffrey's death is concerned. Somehow I don't think it will be in book 4 though. :(

Do you think Book 4 and 5 will be released together like 1 and 2?

How were they released? I found these books when 1 & 2 were already out. I'm hoping for a quick release after CBY, for book 5.

H e l l I'm hoping for book 6........

Just thinking, what about when Gideon says to Eva a few times "ill always find you angel.".does anyone think she will be kidnapped or hurt thats why that statement was made.

Hi jeanmarie.

I think Eva will be kidnapped. Possible ending on a huge cliffhanger at the end of CBY. Sylvia has written many times about tracking devices. In her watch Monica gave her, and compact by Clancy. These have all been removed, with the exception of her phone, which Gideon gave her. Hence his comments "I will always find you Angel"

Everything is written for a reason. Some are red flags or red herrings to keep us guessing. Makes for intriguing reading.

Sylvia's cliff hangers have always been subtle, I'm going huge on the last book. :)

Oh Julie I don't want to wait until 2014.

 

it does seem like old times.

Hi Sharon

Neither do I. But it's not looking good for December. It's only 11 weeks. :(

Julie,  There isn't a rule regarding 2/3 of the sentence served as far as I know but every state is different. (It is a shame LN isn't here she could let us know about the NY laws for this type case.) Some people get out after serving as little as a year to 18 months.  I think it depends on the sentencing guidelines. I know sentencing guidelines seem to be lenient for white collar criminals. Regardless I agree if Geoffrey went to jail he would have been out and still have skills and time to start over.

 

Since he committed suicide it seems he couldn't deal with the humiliation and negative publicity. He would lose most of his wealth as part of his sentence and Liz would most likely divorce him.  Gideon commented on the fighting I don't see her sticking around while Geoffry rebuilds his life. 

 

My guess is Liz remarried so quickly to change her name and escape some of the negative publicity.  I don't know if she was having an affair but I'm sure she knew Vidal and he married her to help insulate her from the publicity.  Everything I've read about Vidal Sr. makes me think he is a good guy but a little spineless.

  

Hi ladies. I have always looked at Geoffrey Cross' character as being loosely based on Bernie Madoff. Now Ponzi schemes normally fall under the Federal Government jurisdiction so that is the same state to state. Now Bernie was sentenced to 150 years for his crimes. Even with time off for good behavior he would have never taken a breath of fresh air as a free man again.

 

As far as Vidal Sr. I go back and forth. I really had assumed that he and Lizzie were having an affair while Geoffrey was alive. My opinion changed on that front a bit with EWY. I walked away from that book thinking much like Sharon he's a decent guy, but spineless.

  

Kristen, 

 

I agree Geoffrey is based on Madoff but Madoff was convicted using current laws.  Twenty years ago I don't think these guys were sentenced as strictly.  There are a lot of men who received much lighter sentences for Ponzi type schemes.  Wasn't there a big company in the 80s that used some scheme and the men responsible received very light sentences. It seems that a lot of these crooks get off easy. Who knows maybe we will learn more in the next two books. Regardless Geoffrey was a crooks and coward and took the coward's way out.  It must be difficult for Gideon to grow up with that hanging over his head.

Well ladies, it's like old times.

What I always come back to is, why didn't Christopher Snr adopt Gideon, giving him his surname. Was it him or Lizzy? I've got a feeling it's Lizzy. As you say, he comes across as decent, even Gideon has a fair business relationship with him. Oh roll on 2014 our agony will be over.

But if Michael's grandparents have a house at the Hamptons, their supposed to be also rich. Which is the sense then? The only one is that Michael is not related at all with Megumi's "illness", and i really can't see it.

That is very true. But, just because Micheals family has money doesn't mean that he has. Nathan was a prime example. Daddy was loaded. He was disinherited, because of his abuse to Eva.

I'm probably way off base, but heyho! Love spinning a yarn.

Mark my words, Micheal is trouble to Eva.

why would you think that? what could he want from her?

Who is she connected with? Rich people!

They would at a lot of money to get her back if she was kidnapped! No tracking devices remember!

I did a quick search and most US Ponzi schemers get up to 20 years but they all were paroled much sooner.  He was a young man so he could make a comeback.  Also they are confined in low security prisons so, while prison is terrible they aren't with harden criminals.

hi Sharon

In the UK prisoners get parole after doing two thirds of their sentence, Geoffrey could have been out by the time Gideon was say 18? If the same applied in the USA .

Was the humiliation and ruination to much for Geoffrey? I think Lizzy knows. Why did she marry so quickly after his death, was she having an affair with Vidal?

Yes I'm good hope you had a great summer I hope we will be reading CBY and blogging here late into the night very soon!! :)

Summer was good thanks.

See there's a few engines being revved up on these pages! Quite entertaining really.

Looking forward to burning the midnight oil with you soon. Bring on CBY. The rest of the girls are waiting. :)

Michael is definitely not Christopher in disguise.

I think Michael is using Megumi to get to Eva though.

Hi Julie glad ur back!! .

Hi lady.

Missed these little discussions. I think we took Entwined as far as we could, needed a break. Treading water for the next round of our favourite couple.

Hope your good. :)

Hi Julie54

I missed the "special trust fund for people that were conned". The "Crossroads Foundation" is Gideon's charity foundation.  That is the only thing I remember Eva telling Ireland to tell her boyfriend's family to look up.

That's the one I meant.

Conspiracy theory.  I don't know I think it was suicide.  Often the family of suicides want it to be murder because they don't want to believe their loved one would kill himself.

I love a good conspiracy theory. Lol

Keeps us on our toes.

What would the jail term be if Geoffrey had gone to prison?

We know Gideon has a special trust fund for the people that were conned. Eva told Ireland to tell her boyfriends grandparents to look into it.

I think there is more to come out about Geoffrey's death.

You're right there is no way that Hugh would rape Gideon with a witness.  I think Dr. Petersen will pull out the information.  I remember Gideon mentions how Dr. Petersen can talk him around a circle until he gets him where he wants him.  (Not a quote)

Yep your right Sharon.

Gets him to come at it from a different angle. I wonder if we will be privy to one of Gideons meetings with Dr Petersen? Getting Gideons POV.

Going off at a tangent.

Geoffrey death has always bothered me. Was it suicide or murder?. I'm sure it would help Gideons abandonment issues if Geoffrey was murdered. Re: Gideons comments about Hugh's son in Entwined.

I maintain Geoffrey was murdered by an investor to his Ponzi scheme, and Gideon found the body.