BettyY37

so, this crazy notion just popped into my mind.because of just reading your cheating posts. How is it that a little sister from another husband can look so much like Gideon when the brother has reddish hair?  do you think maybe lizzy said Gideon was Geoffrys but not. and maybe Gideon is angry because she made him feel like s*** all these years?

My recollection of genetics is that the X chromosome of the mother can often dominate the short Y chromosome that the father contributes for their sons and that same X will do the same for the daughters over the father's X. However, if the mom gives her child her other X, the recessive X, you get Christopher.

OPINION

Just listened to the bedroom scene that took place the Thursday morning before premier of the video for "Golden". The scene is in chapter 15 of "Entwined with You", Gideon tells Eva how he wants to be with her and "I'll make you happy the rest of your life." That conversation reminded me why Crossfire is special.

Sylvia has written some of the most romantically moving words spoken by a male character.

Sylvia Day is not writing the screenplay. She has said that. It will be very important for the screenplay writer who does bring these characters to life on television to remember Gideon the actor must speak like Gideon in the book.

I agree I would like to know also why Chris Sr did not adopt Gideon and change his name. I think it must have had to do with Lizzy because she seems to call all the shots...

In hindsight, Chris adopting Gideon might have made all the difference for him. He would have been included in his new family and not have been left outside to take the fall for his Geoffrey. Great "what if" scenario. I like that idea as a talking point on this topic. Chris rejected Gideon.

I wonder if Angus came from the Cross household to the Vidal's or did he work for Vidal when he married Elizabeth.

 

Hi!

 

I know these are old news, but as i'm new to the forum i'd like to comment them (hope you don't mind)...

 

• 10th floor remodelation is for Eva, but not to her foundation. She even has not the thought of it when she goes there with Gideon. I think it is for a new company in the universe of Cross Industries: Cross & Garrity Advertising.  (A Cross invest, where Garrity is a senior -is a junior at present- mentoring Eva for a while, who became first junior and partner later as a senior too). And why not, this is Eva's 2nd wedding gift from Gideon: Working by herserf with her coworkers, as she prefers, but also to a Cross company as Gideon would like to.

• I'm also on Clancy on the bracelet subjetc. All the things spoken between Eva and him takes us there. The payback Gideon is expecting to be requested is not going to happen, but Gid will pay Clancy's and his brother help by hiring Clancy's brother as safety/driver when he'll left FBI, once Angus will retire.

• Impatient to see how Gideon confronts his mother,especially regarding Eva.

• And pleaseee... I want Arnoldo and Shwana together!!! (maybe meeting and starting their history at the wedding, then she single again because her boyfriend is not coming back from Sicily and left her?)

 

Hi Gaia

 

I am sort of a newbie too but I probably post alot.

 

Your list reminded me, I forgot Arnoldo on my list of "Unfinished" posted earlier today.

 

You put more detail on your ideas but they are some on the contexts under my simpler outline.

 

I thought Clancy could be more involved in the bracelet until I thought about his family.  That would be a significant risk for a man with a wife.  Eva did say he took orders from Stanton and Stanton would do anything for Monica but I would bet on Angus or Raoul to be looking out for Gideon.

 

*******Plot Twist*******

Chris Sr is behind the bracelet.  He discovers Dr. Terrence's betrayal, follows Gideon and tries to protect him.......I know it's a stretch but that is the fun of the forum until publication day

I know Bared to You will be released as a hardcover edition in February of next year.  Are there plans for a hardcover box set of all five books?

 

Also are plans in place for Jill Redfield to narrate the last two books in the series?  Jill is excellent and I like the continuity of the same person reading a series.

 

PS

Thanks for answering my previous question!

As soon as I read Brett with the tattoo sleeves I thought of Adam Levine and Maroon 5.  He's older, 34, then Brett but I think he could pull it off.

 

There are definitely other candidates but I think most viewers would be happy with this Brett

I still think Monica's secret, is her being an escort, albeit upmarket. How else did she cope financially after being cut off.

 

There is approximately 10 years of Monica's life to account for.  We know her family disowned her when she was pregnant and we know she was with Barker when Eva was ten.  I do not recall how long Monica and Barker had been married before the abuse started.

 

Since Eva does not talk about ever having a financially difficult time in her life, Monica either married Barker when Eva was young or hide her escort career extremely well.  Barker wanted a mother for his son so I do not think he would have married her if he knew.

I love a good conspiracy theory. Lol

Keeps us on our toes.

What would the jail term be if Geoffrey had gone to prison?

We know Gideon has a special trust fund for the people that were conned. Eva told Ireland to tell her boyfriends grandparents to look into it.

I think there is more to come out about Geoffrey's death.

Hi Julie54

I missed the "special trust fund for people that were conned". The "Crossroads Foundation" is Gideon's charity foundation.  That is the only thing I remember Eva telling Ireland to tell her boyfriend's family to look up. 

Among the many notes I have regarding Crossfire series the following is my list of Unfinished Plot Lines:

(The order is random, not by priority)

 

The society wedding of Eva and Gideon

Megumi

The Eva/Brett video as well as their relationship (could be 2 things?)

Nathan's bracelet

Relationship between Eva's father and mother

Gideon's relationship with his family - Elizabeth, Ireland, Christopher and Chris

Corinne including Jean-Francois Giroux

The Lucas family

Cary and Tatiana's pregnancy

Cary and Trey

Cary working for Eva

Eva working for Gideon

Mark Garrity and Steven Ellison together and with Eva

Magdalena Perez

Shawna Ellison

Anything to add?

I have to disagree with you there.

Angus has stepped up to the plate for Gideon.

He has been with Gideon for many years, he has been Gideons father figure. He is Gideons confidante.

That's why he was at the wedding.

Never diss our Angus.

 

Ah!! Angus, the mystery man!

I love Angus.

 

It will be interesting to learn more about him.  We know he drove Gideon to school when he worked for Chris Vidal and we know Gideon hired him away from Vidal when Gideon was 20.  Could he have known about Hugh's abuse of Gideon and, therefore, stepped in to protect him?  Will Angus have a family or do you think he is only dedicated to Gideon and through him to Eva?

 

I hope Gideon talks about his relationship with Angus.  Does Gideon see him as a father figure, a friend or a trusted employee?

Are there any reactions to Chris as a father?

 

Gideon says he refuses to take sides when Gideon and Christopher disagree in the business.

I do not think Gideon has a strong, competent father figure in his life.

 

I know Victor has his flaws but can he serve in that capacity?  Victor did step up for Eva in her later life.  Cary likes him too.

Yes!!

 

 

Well of course he is going to have those issues. As a boy he was left to be with psychiatrist while his mom was still reeling from his father's death. So in a sense he was left by both. 

 

Do you think he is aware?

In the book when he talks about being left, Gideon is speaking about Hugh's son not himself.  Eva says he is talking about himself as well.

Gideon was named after his father, Gideon Geoffrey Cross. He talks about fun times at the beach and carrying the shame of what his father did. I think the most telling comment Gideon makes about his feelings for his father are made when he is speaking about someone else

“He only knows that his dad is gone, by choice, and he’s left behind. He’ll believe his father didn’t care enough about him to stay.â€

“Baby.†I pulled his head toward me, urging him to rest against me. I didn’t know what to say. I couldn’t make excuses for Geoffrey Cross and I knew Gideon was thinking of him, as well as the boy he himself had once been. “You didn’t do anything wrong.â€

Excerpt From: Day, Sylvia. “Entwined with You.†Penguin Group

 

Back on track

 

Gideon also seems to have abandonment issues because of his father's suicide.  Most of the attention has been paid to his nightmare but what about his feeling of being left by his dad.  We know he wants to be a father (in the prenup).

Couldn't agree more Julie!!

Not being rude ladies but sometimes when I read these posts I want to shout at my computer "IT'S NOT REAL!!!!"

I know we are all emotionally attached to Gideon and Eva's story but lets keep the forum a nice happy and light hearted place for everyone to post on!!

That is exactly what I said.  Thank you!!

Can I just say, this is a book you are talking about. Made up characters, and story by an exceptional author.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and theories. It is not meant to be taken seriously.

Recent postings seem to have got a bit out of hand.

I thought it was for adults these pages?

Come on ladies get a grip!

This use to be a fun page, not so much these days unfortunately.

Thank you!!  I agree with everything you said!

 

Unfortunately I do not know how to add the sad face.

Just thinking, what about when Gideon says to Eva a few times "ill always find you angel.".does anyone think she will be kidnapped or hurt thats why that statement was made.

Yes !!!

Like you Jeanmarie I could see that happening because he says it more then once.  Eva is his life.

FYI

I know two young women who were abused as children.  One is now close to Eva's age.  The other is older.  I know more than I want about their lives before, during and after.  I will write no details because it is their experience.  I am not aware that I know any boys or men.

 

PS

Thank God I do not know more.

I soooo agree on Tom W. OH MyGOSH Totally Gideon...TOTAL A BABE!!!!

 

Glad you like Tom!!

 

I have no ideas for the women.

Jean-Francois Giroux is a very angry man.  He blames Gideon for his wife's attempted suicide and her miscarriage.  They also have a business deal in the works.

 

Corinne may be alright if the antidepressants were the reason for her erratic behavior but I think her husband will still want a pound of flesh.

Chiara

 

Love the reason for the prenup!!

 

Becuase Gideon is such a successful business man, his insecurities are often forgotten.

Hi Betty,

I have gone over all of your postings about this topic and I have to say that I am confused.  The arguements presented only ask readers to presuppose and accept one interpretation of the facts.  The arguements also require the average reader to suspend disbelief or any kind of common sense. 

 

From my perspective, and healthcare background, that is not possible nor is it logical.  There are several members in this forum from all different backgrounds; doctors, lawyers, psychologists, nurses, etc. and each and every single one of them approaches this book from different perspectives.  Your logic dictates that they should put their life experiences and educational background aside and completely accept what has been written without question.  That position does not allow for a balanced or logical arguement. 

 

When an author writes about a subject as polarizing as sexual abuse and childhood neglect; it will always spark controversy.  You mentioned in your arguement that we as readers have not been provided with facts and if it is not written in the pages of the book, that we cannot take that into consideration (my paraphrasing, not your exact words).  Eva states she she was brutally raped and tortured too many times to count (again my paraphrasing not the exact words from the book, but I can find the exact page and reference if readers require this). 

 

What was not mentioned were the actual physical symptoms and signs of; physical, sexual and emotional abuse.  Your arguement would have us as the reader discount what would be common sense.  Eva would have had bleeding  and tearing of tissue (vaginal and rectal-as evidenced by vaginal and anal scarring).  She would have had trouble sitting down, she would have had pain, discomfort, low grade fevers, difficulty urinating, having bowel movements, had social behaviour problems (which she did in her promiscuous actions, etc. as Eva mentioned herself in the books), could have had nightmares about sleeping alone, become needy, clingy etc. (if for no other reason than to try and avoid Nathan's attacks, etc.).  If you go back and read the posts, you will see everything listed.

 

The exact signs and symptoms of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse were listed several times, for the forum members, but because it wasn't recorded in the book, that evidence cannot be considered.  That is a fundamental flaw in a debate.  Many of the points that have been presented are not up for debate.

 

We as the "old time" forum members have dedicated hundreds/thousands of hours to these exact topics, as has been evidenced by the thousands of posts and research that went along with them. Every "old time" member has their ideas about the book; and they are based on reading the material, discussing it amongst the members and by emailing/tweeting/attending Author conventions.  Some members were lucky enough to discuss these issues with the author and received a first-hand account of what the author was thinking and why the wrote the material the way the did.

 

We as the readers will not have the opportunity to know everything until the last book is published.  Until then, we will have to read the materials presented, use our common sense and apply our life skills and educational background to try and decifer the material in the meantime.

 

GiGi 

 

 

Good evening GiGi

 

It is my turn to be confused although I thought as soon as I read from you yesterday, "and it gives me the opportunity to understand your position better." this post might be coming. 

 

First, as anyone who knows me will tell you, I do not ask anyone to "presuppose and accept one interpretation" of anything and definitely never ask them to give up their common sense.

 

Second I am not a follower.  From my perspective your logic dictates that when reading a well-thought and well-written piece of fiction I can not suspend my reality for a while to take the journey the author has chosen. You demand I bring in my life experience because you and others have chosen that option.  If you truly read what I wrote you would see that I can and do make use of personal knowledge and experience under circumstances that I pick and tell you when I do.

  

My logic by its very nature only dictates what I do.  You may do as you please and I do not recall ever asking you or anyone to do otherwise.  My continued willingness to respond to your post should tell you I respect that.

 

Third I do not consider arguments, first defined as an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one, as inherently balanced or logical.  I personally prefer conversation, discussion or dialogue.    It is precisely because I am open to new ideas and information that I joined this forum.

 

 

Fourth, what does this mean?

 

"We as the "old time" forum members have dedicated hundreds/thousands of hours to these exact topics, as has been evidenced by the thousands of posts and research that went along with them. Every "old time" member has their ideas about the book; and they are based on reading the material, discussing it amongst the members and by emailing/tweeting/attending Author conventions.  Some members were lucky enough to discuss these issues with the author and received a first-hand account of what the author was thinking and why the wrote the material the way the did."

 

As a new forum memeber you cannot disagree with an "old time" forum member.  I have personally received nothing but positive interest, support, and consideration from old time members.  They have never ask that I only follow their line of thinking.

 

Last, your final paragraph reads like a paraphrase of what I have written on this forum...

 

"We as the readers will not have the opportunity to know everything until the last book is published.  Until then, we will have to read the materials presented, use our common sense and apply our life skills and educational background to try and decifer the material in the meantime.

We as the readers will not have the opportunity to know everything until the last book is published.  Until then, we will have to read the materials presented, use our common sense and apply our life skills and educational background to try and decifer the material in the meantime."

 

which is read the material and lets discuss.

 

Betty 

Eva and Gideon talking about Elizabeth

“She also seems to love you a lot. It was in her eyes when she looked at you.â€

He kept looking straight ahead. “She didn’t love me enough.â€

My breath left me in a rush. Because I didn’t know what had given him such tormenting nightmares, I’d wondered if maybe she’d loved him too much. It was a relief to know that wasn’t the case. It was awful enough that his father committed suicide. To be betrayed by his mother, too, might be more than he could ever recover from.

“How much is enough, Gideon?â€

His jaw tightened. His chest expanded on a deep breath. “She didn’t believe me.â€

I came to a dead stop and pivoted to face him. “You told her what happened to you? You told her and she didn’t believe you?â€

His gaze was trained over my head. “It doesn’t matter now. It’s long done.â€

Excerpt From: Day, Sylvia. “Reflected in You.â€

We know the women he chose looked like his mother and he said none of them really saw him. Did he hide from them because his mother "didn't love him enough"?

I found another song that I think is great for the series

 

 

 

(Everything I Do) I Do It For You

     by Bryan Adams

 

Look into my eyes, you will see
What you mean to me
Search your heart, search your soul
And when you find me there you'll search no more

Don't tell me it's not worth tryin' for
You can't tell me it's not worth dyin' for
You know it's true
Everything I do, I do it for you

 

Look into your heart, you will find
There's nothin' there to hide
Take me as I am, take my life
I would give it all, I would sacrifice

Don't tell me it's not worth fightin' for
I can't help it, there's nothin' I want more
You know it's true
Everything I do, I do it for you
Oh yeah

 

There's no love, like your love
And no other, could give more love
There's nowhere, unless you're there
All the time, all the way, yeah

Look into your heart, baby

Oh, you can't tell me it's not worth tryin' for
I can't help it, there's nothin' I want more
Yeah, I would fight for you, I'd lie for you
Walk the wire for you, yeah I'd die for you

You know it's true
Everything I do, oh, I do it for you

Everything I do, darling
And we'll see it through
Oh we'll see it through
Oh yeah

Yeah!

Look into your heart
You can't tell me it ain't worth dying for
Oh yeah

 

I'll be there, yeah

I'll walk the wire
Oh, yeah

I'm going all the way, all they way, yeah

 

Dr. Travis expertise is with troubled teens so I can't see Gideon having therapy with him...

Gideon is chronologically 28 but regarding his abuse is still an adolescent because he never dealt with it.  The key to successful therapy is the relationship between the patient and the therapist.  If Cary and Eva still relate to Dr. Travis then I think Gideon can too.

I hate that Eva still finding Brett "hot" or whatever .. I hope its gone in Book  4

I agree.  I get a queasy every time i read that.