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I agree. I think that Eva would rather Tatiana eat ground glass before she would ever concede to that woman moving into an apartment with any of them. Â

  Hi Rogue, I read your scenario and a few things came to mind (ok so a lot of thoughts came to mind): I don’t think that Hugh spent weeks or months grooming Gideon. I think that this man tried escalating the abuse as quickly as humanly possible. He wasn’t going to have an indeterminate amount of time with Gideon (i.e. seeing Gideon for years). Elizabeth Vidal sought counseling for her children because they were acting out and she was having a difficult pregnancy. Once Elizabeth Vidal’s pregnancy was over; her hormones would have eventually come back into a normal balance or she would have been diagnosed with post-partum depression/psychosis or such and she would have been prescribed medications to help her. I think that Hugh probably came into the home and assessed Gideon and his younger brother to see whom might be the more vulnerable of the two and probably sought out a way to familiarize him with both or either boys. Once Hugh decided on his victim (one or both boys), he would have begun the grooming process. This process doesn’t take years or months. Hugh wouldn’t have had that long. Elizabeth was already pregnant and a pregnancy only lasts 37-40 weeks maximum and we don’t know how many months pregnant she was at the time (so we can subtract those weeks from due date). The abuse may have started with Hugh “copping feel†and he would have been assessing and gauging Gideon’s reactions to see how much Gideon would tolerate before escalating the contact.   If Gideon were to tell it most likely would have been during that phase. If Gideon’s boundaries were crossed and his instinct for self-preservation were to kick in; he would have run either to his mom or maybe Angus if he trusted him or felt safe. I don’t think that Gideon did. I don’t know how much Gideon knew about se* and puberty or about masturbation and Hugh may have used that as a lure or a way to introduce “masturbation†to Gideon. At some stage either Gideon or Hugh masturbated individually or Hugh masturbated Gideon or vise versa. I think at that point, Gideon realized something was wrong (cold prickly feelings for kids) and that Hugh most likely manipulated Gideon into thinking that this entire situation was his fault. He allowed Hugh to touch him. He so therefore he must have liked the experience, right? Wrong!!! Hugh would have had his psychological hooks in Gideon. He had a way to emotionally manipulate, blackmail and twist facts on an ten/eleven year old boy who may not have had any previous se**al knowledge and felt very guilty because of what transpired. Hugh may have also threatened Gideon to comply or that Hugh would do to Christopher Jr. what he had done to Gideon (he would use his love of his brother to control Gideon). Gideon may have complied for fear that if he didn’t that Hugh would se***lly abuse Christopher Jr. as well which would make Gideon feel like he was responsible for protecting his younger brother. I think Gideon kept his mouth shut and the abuse escalated. Each and every contact that Hugh had with Gideon, he had an ultimate goal or objective in mind. All pedophiles do!! They either want oral se*, ana* se*, vag***l se*. Each and every one of them has an agenda!! I think that as soon as Hugh started ana**y raping Gideon, the situation became intolerable!! Hugh most likely would have torn Gideon’s rectum (young boy’s body versus a full grown mans’ pen** no contest there). Gideon may have had rectal tears or fissures because of the penetration and if Hugh was rough with him or there was no lubrication. There would have also been a lot blood coming from his rectum and a lot of blood in Gideon’s underwear subsequent to that and any other rapes. Gideon would have had difficulty walking and sitting and bathing would have been painful. He may also have had loss of bowel control because of damage to his rectal sphincter. There would have been evidence in Gideon’s underwear, or maybe on his bed sheets or even in his pants (if the rape had been severe enough). I believe it would be at that moment that Gideon would have confessed to his mother what was going on. This was a situation that a child couldn’t handle on their own and it had become so intolerable that Gideon would most likely have been looking for every single out humanly possible to avoid Hugh to no avail. I think Gideon would have picked fights at school, feigned illness, tried to get detentions or even invitations to friends’ houses (if he had any) in order to avoid going home and having therapy sessions. I think he would have tried every trick in the book to avoid this man and his mother. Again to no avail. As a last desperate act, Gideon would have told his mother about the abuse. The question would be; whether Elizabeth Vidal asked her son; who touched him? How did this man touch him? What exactly did he do? She would have needed to ask open-ended questions in order to get accurate answers. At that point Elizabeth Vidal would have taken Gideon to be examined. Enter Dr. Lucas and his big fat lies!! He lied and lied and lied and lied and lied…..and Elizabeth Vidal bought the entire scenario; hook, line, and sinker!!   If we go back and assume that your scenario is correct in that Gideon confessed this abuse (after the masturbation incident) to his mother, then wouldn’t his mother ask him what happened? Wouldn’t his mother ask him what went on? Wouldn’t his mother ask Gideon how Mr. Hugh touched him? Wouldn’t Gideon have told his mother that Mr. Hugh put his hands on his pee pee or that Gideon had to put his hands on Mr. Hugh’s pee pee?  Any visit to a pediatrician at that point, would simply be to confirm that her child wasn’t further abused? Elizabeth Vidal would have known that Gideon was touched and that Gideon was forced to touch someone else. It would stand to reason that Elizabeth Vidal would know those acts wouldn’t leave lasting marks. Any parent would know that.  Therefore Elizabeth Vidal would have absolutely no reason to doubt her son.  The second point to this entire extremely odd scenario is that even if Gideon made a false claim again Mr. Hugh, Elizabeth Vidal  allowed her son to continue to see her child who made allegations against him for se**l abuse?! There is something extremely wrong with that situation!!  Why didn’t Elizabeth Vidal fire the entire staff and hire new psychologists? Why did she pit one child against the other? Why wouldn’t she believe her son, even if there was no evidence? Why did she put her own needs above her own child’s safety?  I again state and have stated in other posting and other threads, that if Dr. Lucas genuinely didn’t find any signs of abuse, then he wouldn’t have had to worry or be afraid of reprisal. He would have had a nurse with him, who would have confirmed that she didn’t witness any physical signs of abuse and those findings would have been noted in the patient’s chart. Yes Dr. Lucas would have faced stiff fines and a possible suspension of his license because he failed to report the allegations but he would have had his nurse and his legal documents (i.e. the patient’s chart) to back him up.  I don’t know how the abuse ended, other than the possibility that Elizabeth Vidal gave birth and maybe started feeling better. Some women experience hormonal imbalances during pregnancies can start feeling better after the pregnancy ends and maybe that happened in this case. I don’t have enough information to clearly state something.  It could also be that Angus suspected something was wrong, but Gideon wouldn’t confirm anything because the last time he opened his mouth to his mother and Dr. Lucas he was branded a liar. He most likely on had Angus on his side and maybe he didn’t say anything because he was afraid that Angus wouldn’t believe him either. It almost seemed like Angus was Gideon’s only friend for a time.  I don’t know about the second pediatrician. Nothing was mentioned other than Elizabeth Vidal saying that she had Gideon examined by two pediatricians. I don’t know how valid Elizabeth Vidal’s claims would have been. She was one seriously deplorable mother to not believe her child and also to pit one child against the other (i.e. when she asked Christopher Jr. if Gideon was being abused). How would Christopher Jr. know unless he was in the room or if some kind of deal was made between the three of them?  Finally I just wanted to say that everything that Gideon said didn’t sound like revenge but of a man who wanted to ensure that this horrible experience never happened to another human being. What I wonder is how many victims did Hugh get his hands on during the ten or so years before Gideon tracked him down? I don’t doubt it for a minute that this man had victims galore!!!!! Pedophiles never stop at just one victim!!!! This guy probably had a list of victims a mile long!! If you combine with the fact that one of his first victims tracked him down, maybe Hugh started to worry that his victims would start coming out of the “woodwork†and that he would be disgraced and potentially face criminal charges that could land him behind bars for a lifetime!!  I think that what Gideon did was quite humane given the abhorrent treatment he received at this man’s hands! He didn’t tear him limb from limb, he didn’t take a front page advertisement in the newspaper telling the world what a monster this man was. He simply cut the man off at his knees; he would no longer be able to practice and therefore he would no longer have access to a fresh pool of victims!!  Those are just some of my thoughts on what happened. What do you think? What does everyone think?Â

Hi Rogue, I just wanted to clarify with you that if someone snaps, that usually means that they become mentally unstable and can be a potential danger to themselves or others. I just want to understand what you mean by Corinne snapping? Thanks for clarifying this for me.Â

Hi Sscrph, You are correct in that the second pediatrician may actually be key to this entire scenario. Could it be that Angus took Gideon to see a pediatrician because he had suspicions? Could it be that Christopher Sr. or Elizabeth Vidal was contacted because Gideon would have been covered under their insurance policies and that said second doctor relayed their findings to them and that they would have to contact the authorities? I don't know. Could it be that is where the scenario of bribary comes into play?  I can't believe for a second that Angus would knowingly cover up the abuse of a child. I can believe that he suspected and that he did everything in his power to make sure that Gideon didn't face any further harm. I could see Angus shadowing Gideon to make sure that no harm came to him.  That very little that Sylvia wrote in the book about the second pediatrician is a large piece of this missing puzzle. I haven't been ablet to connect the dots (as the saying goes) so I am sitting in speculation mode.  As for Anne and that whole bag of "crap" I don't think that we have even begun to scratch the surface with her and her ffed up issues. What are your thoughts? Everyone?Â

Hi Sscrph, What does Anne really have over Dr. Lucas's head if there were no physical signs of se**al abuse? It wouldn't make sense. Dr. Lucas could have noted that in Gideon's chart and his nurse would have been able to confirm that because by law, there has to be a nurse present when an examination of this nature (or OB/GYN) is conducted.  I guess she could hold it over his head that he never contacted the authorities about the allegations, but he would only face fines, and a supension from the medical board. What else could she be holding over his head if Dr. Lucas didn't cover up the fact that Gideon presented with signs of se**al abuse?Â

Hi Everyone, I just wanted to clarify that there is a big difference between being manipulative and being mentally unstable. Being mentally unstable is way WORSE! It indicates that a person has an underlying psychiatric condition that has yet to be diagnosed! That is worse!

Hi Sscrph, I just wanted to clarify that I never said that Anne  was depressed. One of the other forum members had asked if Anne was depressed would she be able to continue to practice medicine and I gave two different scenarios. I don't know for a fact that Anne was depressed or that she was one of the women who had been affected after being in a relationship with Gideon.  I personally think that Anne played with fire and she got burned. The lady is sucking on some seriously sour grapes. She committed adultery all on her own. She broke her marriage vows all on her own. She chased Gideon all on her own.  Of all the characters in the book; next to Nathan, Anne concerns me the most. She is potentially an extremely dangerous woman. She sought out Cary, entered into a se**al encounter with Eva's roommate all the while spewing crap out of her mouth. As far as I am concerned, she is a person who needs to be watched very carefully! What do you think?

Hi Sheens, Thanks for the information. Now all we have to do is wait and wait and wait and wait....well you get the picture.Â

Hi Rogue, I read your comments and I just wanted to clarify a few things. Actually the doctors would have a good indication of how much medication Corinne would have ingested. If Corinne was unconscious when she was taken to the hospital then as a matter of absolute protocol, they would have drawn blood and urine in order to identify and confirm which medications were used in suicide attempt. Those test would also tell a doctor how much of the medication was in her system, had been absorbed and the pumping of her stomach may also have revealed how many pills she may have swallowed.    If Corinne had only taken a few pills for show, it wouldn't have been classified as a serious suicide attempt. She would have been given syrup of Ipicac (medication to make a person vomit) and then activated charcol (to absorb the effects of a few pills). She would have gone from the emergency department straight up to the psychiatric ward. She wouldn't have been up on one of the wards recovery rooms. Once in the psychiatric ward, Corinne would have to meet with a Psychiatrist who would have to assess whether she was a danger to herself or to others. After an interview she would most likely have been released to out-patient care. She would have been referred to a doctor or an appointment booked for her to see one of the resident psychiatrists in follow up.  One of our forum members clarrified how a miscarriage might occur and it is serious. To the best of my knowledge, the actual physical act of pumping someone's stomach (i.e. inserting a nasogastric tube down into the stomach to suction out the contents of the stomach), wouldn't make someone lose consciousness. Most people are gagging and retching because it is such an uncomfortable experience.  You are correct. We don't how Corinne was found. We also don't know who called for help. That will remain a mystery until Sylvia decides to enlighten all of us (hopefully sooner rather than later). All I am saying is that thus far we know that Corinne was depressed, had sought treatment, was prescribed medication, attempted suicide and as a result had a miscarriage.    Those facts alone are serious.  I think for me, I will consider Corinne's miscarriage and loss of her freedom (because she is going to psychiatric ward of the hospital) enough of a punishment for her. Whatever her motives were, I don't think it matters anymore. Regardless where this woman started, she wound up seriously mentally ill and will have to live with the consequences fof what's she has done for the rest of her life.  I just want to make sure that we don't confuse actual facts with theories and speculation. If it's ok with you, I'd rather just skip this whole "crow pie" thing. We all bring our own life experiences and understanding of this material to this forum and I'd like to think that we simply engage in lively debate. Therfore no "crow pie" is necessary. What do you think?Â

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Hi CrossfireLvr, Welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy yourself.

That's exactly what I suggested (just about Monica having to clean up her husband's gambling debts and maybe having gotten involved in loan sharks and the mob). Your suggestion about Monica's concern about Eva's safety because of her past experiences is plausible. I can hardly wait to see how things play out with this storyline.

Hi Claudine, I would almost bet that there is going to be some serious twist to this plot. I have a feeling that we won't even see it coming. My money is on the danger and The Russian mob. I don't think that we have enough clues yet to link things together. Maybe we will get some clues in either the photos and snippets.  What do you think?Â

Hi Barb, Good observation! I think if anyone was to notice first, it could very well be Ireland. Nothing gets by that girl!

It one of a million possibilities that could potentially happen. Who knows?  All we have to do is keep our fingers crossed and hope the time passes quickly and that the release of the next book is sooner rather than later. Â

Hi Sscrph, I didn't know what a "priestess gown" was. I still don't. Do you have any idea what that is?Â

Hi Sheens, What I was referring to was the "priestess dress". I wasn't sure what that was exactly. I also thought that it was a very pretty dress, that in a pinch served as a wedding dress.

It certainly is one frisky photo!! Â

 Great point! I wonder who will be the first to notice the ring on Gideon's finger and I wonder who will be the first brave soul to ask Gideon if he is married. Who do you think might be the first person? Any ideas?Â

 I agree. Â

 I hope Brett takes the plane out of the State. Maybe he go on a nice year loooooonnnggg tour with his band! He can start in Japan and work his way around the world! Either way, bye bye Brett! Â

I am so excited!!!!Â

Hi Sscrph, No. Sorry, Claudine and I got off topic.Â

Wowie! Zowie!! What a photo!!  Â

Hi Nrock, You make a good argument about Eva riding an emotional roller coaster with Gideon and her past feelings about Brett. You have definitely given me a lot to think about. Thanks.