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Hi LNCronan, I don’t think that Gideon would have kissed Corinne at all, cheeks, lips or otherwise. Eva is an incredibly jealous and insecure individual and I don’t think that Gideon would hurt Eva like that. Go back to the weekend in Las Vegas when Eva asked Clancy to arrange for someone to guard Gideon. Although Gideon was in business meetings, he honoured Eva’s wishes. He allowed the “three feet†rule to stand and as such those actions tell me, break up or not, Gideon wouldn’t put his potential future relationship in jeopardy by having that kind of Contact with Corinne. Gideon is trying to fool the world into thinking that he going after the woman who got away. That entire premise would be predicated on the fact that Gideon realized his mistake in letting Corinne get away and if Gideon went through all the trouble of arranging for the paparazzi to catch him in a kiss (with Eva), with someone who no longer means anything to him then what is he going to do to sell the Corinne “rouse� I believe that Corinne might have even seen the photos of Gideon and Eva kissing. If Eva used Google and other social media websites for information on her boyfriend then who’s to say that Corinne wasn’t doing the same? Surely Corinne would have done a little digging of her own to find out what was standing in her way? Wouldn’t she want to check out the completion? Wouldn’t she want to know what she was up against?

    Hi Jls1216, I don't think that Gideon would kiss Corinne either; lips, cheeks or otherwise. I think that would be a step too far and it would damage whatever future he and Eva might have. I agree with your position. :)

    Hi LNCronan, What kind of physical affection could Gideon have been showing to Corinne if he was to keep his promise to Eva? There is no way he could have pulled off this “rouseâ€. Yes I believe that Corinne was desperate to get back into Gideon’s life and one of the most important ways that would have affirmed this to Corinne would have been through intimate physical contact. If what Corinne said was correct in that Gideon was spending all of his free time with her, then each every single time they spent together would have been one step closer to intimacy. I am not saying that they would be having sex so soon, but I seriously couldn’t see Corinne going along with dating a man who refused to have some kind of physical contact. No I am not talking about sex, I am talking about hugging and kissing here. I also think that when Corinne got desperate and tried to force Gideon to chase after her, it wasn’t the first step for her. I think that she would have tried many different things to try and get Gideon to pay attention to what was going on in their relationship. Women don’t often leave a relationship when there are signs of first trouble. They often state and state and state their unhappiness over and over and over again. The act of leaving a relationship is usually the very last step. As such, again I don’t think that Corinne didn’t pay attention to those details. Again let me state this for the record; I am not talking about Corinne having sex with Gideon I am talking about ordinary kind loving gestures that people would share with one another when they are dating. Hugging and kissing is not sex. If Gideon’s entire rouse is that he is reconnecting with the woman that “got away†then how on earth is he going to sell this shtick to Corinne and the general public with those key ingredients? I don’t buy it.

Hi LNCronan, I was thinking about what you wrote and what Gideon had said about him never having had any woman up to his apartment. I would have to wonder how long Gideon had been living in that apartment first and second if Gideon ever had any woman up to any apartment he may have been living in at the time. He separated sex from his personal life completely so I wonder how he would have integrated the two. Gideon was so specific with regards to his sexual practices so how could he have explained not having sex anywhere else but at his hotel and even worse how could he have explained why he wouldn’t have Corinne over to his apartment? Again I also have to wonder how Corinne would have reacted when she learned about Gideon’s quirks. Could you imagine being with a man who could only have sex at a hotel (a specific hotel no less- his f*** pad) or that you couldn’t have sex with your fiancée at his home or even be invited to spend the night with him there (or anywhere)? Again, I don’t think that was lost on Corinne. We as outsiders are sitting and shaking our heads, but imagine how Corinne must have felt being faced with that kind of situation. I find it hard to believe that Corinne would have just kept making up excuses for all of Gideon’s really odd behaviour. It doesn’t make sense. What does everyone think?

Hi Mrsmajessick, I was wondering what your theory about Christopher Sr. is It seems that you have a great understanding of the law and as such would approach a theory with a different set of eyes. I would be interested to hear what your theories are.

    Hi LNCronan, I think it will be very interesting to see how Sylvia plans on dealing with this part of the storyline. Mrsmajessicks’ theory is just as plausible and quite frankly sits closer to reality for me. I don’t think that the DA’s office would charge Gideon on theories and speculation. Yes, yes I know these theories make for great story telling but any DA who tried such a flimsy case would be committing career suicide. The US is famous for broadcasting some of its more infamous trials. The DA’s who tried and lost said cases never wound up on the winning end of the career spectrum. I was also just thinking about the master key theory and every hotel that uses a key card system records all of the entries and exits from each and every single hotel room. That would include a master key as well. If I am not mistaken each and every key has its own code so that hotels are able to keep track of who is entering and leaving each room. It helps the hotel to ensure that their guests and their valuables remain safe. It also discourages employees from “five finger discounts†etc. How would Gideon account for that? If the cops were doing a stellar job, surely they would have uncovered that during their investigation.

    Hi LNCronan, Mrsmajessick’ theory is also just as plausible. Sometimes people kill for no other reason. If the cops really did investigate Nathan, than I am sure that Nathan would have had many skeletons in his closet, which means that there may have been other families looking to kill Nathan. I don’t sincerely think that Eva was his only victim. If the cops did a proper and thorough investigation then I could almost say with a certainty that there would have been other victims and other families looking for revenge. It is said that criminals who get caught and have to serve time because of their violent crimes, they often “graduate†in that they commit far more violent crimes subsequently. Rapists who are caught and end up serving prison sentences often end up killing their subsequent victims because they don’t want to leave witnesses behind that can identify them. I think that Nathan had many victims and any one of them or their families could have killed Nathan also.

    Hi KiMa, I agree with you. I have been saying the same thing from the beginning. I do not honestly think that Gideon would be able to separate himself from the act of killing Nathan. I also don't think that Gideon would just be able to deliver one blow. I think that if Gideon killed Nathan it would have been violent and brutal and bloody! Now that Gideon knows what Nathan did to Eva, I don't think for one second that Gideon would be able to control his rage. He has suffered the same abuse himself and as such I think that he would have been coming from a place of abuse if he killed Nathan. Again I state that I don't think that Gideon killed Nathan.

    Hi LNCronan, Your theory doesn’t take into account these factors: • Nathan would have been startled if he saw someone standing inside his hotel room door without having invited him or even heard him enter the premises. • It is a natural reaction for someone to scream when startled. • Nathan had already had a fight with Gideon and got the short end of the stick. • The only reason Nathan would have had a reason to have any further contact with Gideon would be to collect the blackmail money. • At some point Nathan would have seen a knife in Gideon’s hands. Again it is a natural response for a person to survey a predator (in this case Gideon was the predator-uninvited intruder). The theory that was presented completely discounts any actual physical self preservation acts. Regardless of a person’s mental status, each and every person has these responses hard wired into their brain. That is why if someone comes at you with a knife a person’s first response would be to raise their hands to protect themselves from any potential blows, etc.

    Hi Sscrph, How exactly would Monica and/or Stanton have been involved in Eva’s security? Could you explain a little more please? After reading both of the books, it was obvious to me that whoever was responsible for Eva’s security did a crappy job of it. Carey got attacked because someone on the security team wasn’t paying close enough attention. I say that because, Eva was living with Cary and as such Cary would have been a weak link in the security armor. If someone could get to Cary then someone could just as easily get to Eva as well. Other than work and Gideon, Eva spent most of her free time with Cary. If the security team didn’t factor those points into their plan then they failed. Cary and Eva went to the spa together, ate out, went shopping, clubbing, etc. All of those very acts could have potentially put Eva’s life at risk. If one couples that with the fact that both Eva and Cary were completely in the dark about the level of danger she was in, and the security team failed to inform her of the situation, then the security would be considered a complete disaster! What do you think? :)

    Hi LNCronan, I read your theory and I don’t buy the he let himself in bit. I bet if Nathan saw Gideon standing inside his hotel room his first reaction would have been to scream bloody murder! Let’s say for the sake of argument that Nathan was in the bathroom when Gideon let himself in and didn’t hear him, if he came out of the bathroom he would have been startled as all heck! It would be a natural reaction to gasp or scream! Now if you couple that with Nathan just having been in a fight with Gideon before and being on the losing end of it, there is no way that Nathan would have just sat back passively or tried to attack Gideon. He would have tried to make as much noise as possible to get attract attention and get himself some help. One must also remember that Gideon would have had an icy stare in his eyes or maybe it was murderous rage, I am sure that Nathan wasn’t temporarily blind so he would have seen that! As such I think that given the scenario that was presented, Nathan would have tried to distance himself from the threat-Gideon. If some suggest that Gideon could try and sell the story that he came to payoff Nathan, if Nathan saw Gideon in his hotel room, then Gideon most likely would have been standing in Nathan’s room without a suitcase full of case. Two and a half million dollars is a lot of money and would have required a lot of physical space (i.e. a suitcase to haul it around in). Now if by some huge stretch of the imagination Gideon had something g that resembled cash, I think that Nathan would have asked to see the money first (i.e. Open the bag/suitcase, whatever and show me the money). In which case the game would be over and the fight would be on. The theory doesn’t work. I also don’t believe that if Nathan saw Gideon standing in his hotel room doorway that he wouldn’t have noticed that nice “shiny†object in one of his hands! No way!! Let’s recap here: 1. Nathan finds or is surprised by seeing Gideon in his hotel room. 2. Nathan didn’t invite him in. Gideon let himself in. 3. Nathan sees murderous rage in Gideon’s eyes. 4. Nathan may have seen that Gideon didn’t have the blackmail money so that would have put a huge amount of fear in Nathan. 5. Nathan would have noticed Gideon’s hands at some point and would have seen a nice “SHINY†object or a KNIFE! 6. Nathan had no self preservation reactions whatsoever. 7. Theory is a NO GO! I just wanted to clarify also that if any of the ladies and/or gentlemen in this forum saw some guy whom they had just had a fight with earlier in the day or week and got the losing end of it, standing in their hotel room, uninvited, with a knife and no blackmail money, and wouldn’t do anything to protect themselves (i.e., screaming, trying to distance themselves from the intruder by running for the bathroom or putting a table between themselves and the intruder?! That is Crap! Crap! :)

    Hi LNCronan, I just wanted to clarify with you that your theory is that Gideon killed Nathan all by himself. In previous postings, you mentioned that it could be possible that Gideon worked with Monica. After reading the posting, I was left with the impression that Monica lured Nathan to open the door and that Gideon moved in and killed Nathan. My question is why would Gideon need Monica if as your past theory stated that he had a "master key" of sorts? If Gideon could let himself in then Monica's assistance wouldn't be necessary. If you could clarify that issue it would help. Thanks in advance. :)

    Hi KiMa, I would absolutely LOVE it if someone other than the “usual†suspects killed Nathan. I think that would be Brilliant!! Those types of endings for villains usually make for some of the most creative storylines. :)

Hi KiMa, In a way you are right. Gideon does need Corinne, but not in the way that she thinks. Do you think that if they discussed this beforehand, she misunderstood or made wrong assumptions about what Gideon may have been asking for? If Gideon is trying to fool the police like some have speculated, then it would be true. Gideon would need Corinne to help establish a false alibi in that he was no longer interested in Eva and was returning to the woman he once loved. Other than that, I can't see a scenario where Gideon would need Corinne. What do you think? Can you think of an alternate situation where this type of scenario could apply?

Hi KiMa, Why do you think Corinne came back to New York? What is your theory? I agree that it is strange that Corinne chose an apartment right around the corner from Gideon. What I wonder is why that didn't set off alarm bells for Gideon. What do you think? :)

Hi LNCronan, I think the really sad thing is that Gideon never really loved Corinne and that’s what would have made the sex empty in the long run. That is the saddest part of this entire part of the story. You are right that Corinne would have missed all of the cuddling, hugging, kissing, touching, all the good stuff that would make sex really great! Corinne never got the opportunity to hear Gideon whisper sweet nothings in her ear…sad! I have said it before and I will keep saying it, I am sure that Corinne would have noticed each and every single time they didn’t’; cuddle, hug, touch, kiss or just spend time together. That’s what got to her in the end, even if she wasn’t able to verbalize it. Sex without love is apathetic at best and this was a man she was supposed to spend the rest of her life with. Imagine how Corinne must have felt. I suspect that she probably felt really empty and maybe even just a little bit used. It would really suck to love someone completely and not have them love you the same way. I think it would be really brutal and it would wreak havoc on a person’s self esteem.

Hi LNCronan, I think that Corinne didn’t believe that she had Gideon. If they were kissing and hugging and even perhaps making love, then I think she would have thought that she had won. I think that Corinne was all too aware that her situation with Gideon was shaky at best and even that is a stretch. Corinne didn’t want to believe that she and Gideon were going to be friends. She wanted more and either Gideon was putting up the second “rouse†of maybe we could give this relationship another go or Gideon told her from the get-go that they were just friends and she was trying for more. I really hope that Sylvia goes into some detail in her next book. Right now I am sitting here biting my nails wondering how this entire thing is going to play out. Well actually I am baking up a storm to help pass the time….butter pecan tarts anyone? :)

    Hi LNCronan, I don’t think that Corinne waited two years before she decided to try something different with Gideon. That just isn’t consistent with human nature. I am sure that Corinne asked or suggested to Gideon that they try something “fun†or “different†when it came to their sex life and I think that Gideon did his best to placate her and that probably frustrated her even more. I am sure that they probably didn’t argue about this issue but I would almost bet money that Corinne was well aware that something wasn’t right in her relationship with Gideon. I think that if she had the initiative to chase, date and ask Gideon to marry her, then she would have absolutely recognized the problems in their relationship and would have tried to initiate different scenarios that might help Gideon get over his “sex***â€hang-ups. To do anything less than that would have made Corinne sound like a complete idiot. Where we differ in opinions is that I think Corinne probably blamed herself over the demise of her relationship with Gideon and that maybe she didn’t stop to look at how Gideon was acting. That is what makes this such a sad situation. Caring or no caring, Gideon should have left Corinne earlier and also should have said something to her about his past. Ah, but hindsight is always 20/20 and people never do what they should have done earlier. It wouldn’t make for a good storyline or a good novel. That being said, I don’t think that Corinne would entertain the idea of dating Gideon again without testing the waters so to speak. I couldn’t see Corinne dating Gideon without at least a little lip locking between the two of them. Otherwise Corinne would have been in a worse situation with Gideon than she was before. I think that Magdalene has always been on Team Magdalene and absolutely no one else! She tried to get rid of Eva herself in the washroom at the Advocacy Dinner but wasn’t successful. She then got reprimanded by Gideon after that little stunt, so then Magdalene realized that she was going to have to change her tactics if she was going to stand a chance of winning Gideon. Yes yes, we all know that she never stood a chance, but I don’t think that Gideon could have fooled Corinne; the general public maybe, but Corinne No.

Hi LNCronan, We have some idea about what the cops asked Cary. We however don’t know everything and since we have been wildly speculating here, it is possible that the cops could have asked questions that we the readers are not privy to. I also think that if Cary was asked questions that would have upset Eva, then I am not so sure that he would have divulged that kind of information. Cary got a firsthand look at how Eva reacted when the Detectives started questioning her about Nathan. Bottom line is, although Cary has a mischievous streak, I don’t think that he is cruel and he wouldn’t do anything purposely that would emotionally hurt Eva. It also occurred to me that the detectives would have seen how Cary reacted when Detective Graves started asking Eva questions about Nathan. Surely that wasn’t lost on these seasoned pros.

Hi LNCronan, If the stab wound went straight into Nathan (dead centre...no pun intended), it would have ended his life immediately. The stab wound itself would have interrupted the cardiac rhythm and as such there would be no more beating. Something else occurred to me, if Stanton, Monica or Gideon decided to payoff Nathan’s blackmail, then who’s to say that Nathan wouldn’t have come back for another “handoutâ€. If people are willing to payout blackmail once, won’t they be forced to do it again and again? Once a sucker always a sucker. Could it be that one or more of these individuals realized this, decided to stall Nathan and then went about trying to figure out a plan to have Nathan killed?

Hi LNCronan, Your theory has always been that Gideon went to Nathan’s hotel room and Gideon got him to open the door. Your theory has always stated that. What has changed? If anything it has been other members who have stated that it was Monica who went to Nathan’s hotel room and got him to open the door. Your theory never accounted to how Nathan might potentially react to seeing Gideon after he had been previously beaten up by him earlier in the day. How do you account for that? It has always been my assertion that Monica got Nathan to open the door and that she probably killed him perhaps with the help of others (Stanton, Clancy, etc.). Why would Gideon need Monica if he was going to kill Nathan himself? Why would Gideon involve Monica? The more people that know he committed this crime the greater the risk to him eventually getting caught. Could it be that you are finally coming over to Camp Monica, Stanton, Clancy, etc? :)

    Hi Michele WV, Sylvia doesn’t say specifically what photos of Nathan had of Eva. Monica confessed in RIY that Nathan had photos and videos of Eva and he was using that to help extort a payoff from Monica, Stanton and Gideon. I surmised that the photos and videos must have been from Eva’s past rapes. It is the only thing I think would motivate these individuals to fork over that kind of cash. I think that Monica would be afraid for her daughter’s reputation and social status. What else could someone possibly produce that would incite enough fear to motivate another individual to payout blackmail. I base that on the fact that so many socialites in today’s society bring out personal sex tapes or get caught doing drugs or one naughty thing or other. Regardless of their personal actions, their reputations manage to survive. Most of the media don’t really crucify these girls. These acts are just touted as acts of “youthful†indiscretion. They do a little community service, front a charity or two and then all is forgotten. This is the one thing, in my opinion that cannot be forgotten. I realize that this is just strictly speculation and that nothing has been written about this. My thought is that maybe Nathan said something along the lines of; “I did it before and I can do it again…†If a person couples that with Nathan producing a few photos of Nathan stalking Eva, I think that would be enough to motivate these individuals to payout cash. When Nathan showed up at Stanton and Gideon’s office he most likely brought copies of the photos and videos. I don’t think that he would have shown up with the originals. It would be too high risk, Stanton or Gideon could have destroyed his potential “blackmail evidenceâ€. Otherwise why wouldn’t Monica, Stanton and Gideon contact the police? Nathan was committing several crimes and Nathan could have been arrested very easily? He had just tried to blackmail Monica, Stanton and Gideon and he also was stalking Eva. If his blackmail photos and video were all evidence of his previous rapes and torture, then Nathan could also have been charged with possession of child and attempt to distribute child p***. Someone else in the forum had made mention of that. What do you think?

    Hi LNCronan, I guess that is where you and I differ; I think that Monica and Stanton would have been Plan A. I state that because Nathan had past experiences of Monica acquiescing to his petulant demands. Nathan also terrorized and severely harmed Monica’s daughter and as such Monica would have realized what Nathan was capable of and that he was capable of making good on his threats. Then when Monica and Stanton started stalling Nathan (or maybe they just blew him off outright) Nathan sought out Gideon looking for a payout. As we all know, things backfired on Nathan in the worst way. He got beaten up, tossed out of the building and probably threatened too. So no payout there either. I guess it could be possible that Monica called Gideon but I am not sure that I buy that. Why wouldn’t Monica see to Eva’s safety herself? In the first book BTY, after Eva told Gideon about her past, Gideon went to Stanton and not Monica. I think that is telling, so I am not sure that Gideon would have made contact with Monica. I could see Gideon making contact with Stanton and Stanton telling Monica….hmm? Your theory breaks down when Gideon got his security team involved. When exactly did the security team get involved? If they were involved all along as you have suggested in previous postings then there were some huge errors and Gideon should have been aware of where Nathan was at all times. It would also be presumed that Cary wouldn’t have gotten attacked (at least one would hope that these individuals would have been able to prevent such a horrible tragedy). Again, I don’t think that Monica would have contacted Mr. Barker for many of the reasons I stated in previous postings. Your suggestion about Stanton offering to put Nathan up at an expensive hotel could be plausible. The only question I would have is how comfortable would Nathan feel about taking Stanton up on that offer. The element of surprise would be gone for Nathan. Everyone would know where Nathan was staying and therefore they could call the police on him etc. I just think that Nathan wouldn’t give away his element of surprise. He is trying to extort money from people he hurt in the past and I don’t think that irony is lost on him. I really hope that Sylvia addresses these issues in the next book. It will definitely be helpful to put the storylines together. What do you think?

    Hi LNCronan, I guess I don’t see Eva’s past as such a big deal to their relationship or even to the media. One only need look at the socialites today to see that most of them were hoochies in their past and some of them still have hoochie ways, but most of them recovered, went on to do other things with their lives and are none worse for wear. I also don’t know how that would embarrass Gideon. They weren’t dating when Eva was out being naughty. All of this happened a very long time ago. So yes, I am sure that the media would have a field day for a week or two and then they would be on to the next “train wreck†of a socialite to report on. So who cares? I however wouldn’t see the band mates blabbing about Eva if for no other reason than their own financial safety. These guys have worked really hard to get the deal with Vidal Records so I just couldn’t picture them blowing that all away for some gossip. Let’s make no mistake about this; this would be nothing more than gossip. All these men stand to lose far more than they would gain if they opened their mouths about the “pastâ€. Thus far all these men are laughing all the way to the bank. Why would they blow that? I could see Christopher Jr. trying to rub Eva’s past in his face, but I could also see Gideon punching his brother in the face or pummeling him into the ground. It might even be possible that Gideon could take away Vidal Records from Christopher Jr. from him, but I couldn’t see that happening with Christopher Sr. stepping in. I guess we will have to wait and see what Sylvia writes in her next book.

    Hi LNCronan, I do agree on the point that Dr. Lucas could pose a problem for both Eva and Gideon. I really can’t see Dr. Lucas conspiring with Elizabeth Vidal over covering up their crimes. Number one I don’t think that Elizabeth Vidal was in cahoots with Dr. Lucas (now Vidal Sr. I could see those two being in cahoots). Remember the victim “Gideon†is still alive and in order for your theory to come to fruition then everyone would have to assume that Gideon was nuts or had made this entire thing up. Do you really think that Elizabeth Vidal would do that to her son? She wants a relationship and therefore wouldn’t do anything to destroy it. What you are suggesting is one very dangerous game of “chickenâ€. If Elizabeth Vidal loses, she would lose her family, Gideon, custody of Ireland (I couldn’t see Gideon allowing Ireland to live with someone so clearly dangerous), her marriage, her money, her social status, her lifestyle and life as she had always known it to be would cease to exist. Thus far Dr. Lucas has been nothing more than a little weasel. He doesn’t seem to have the courage to confront Gideon himself about what Gideon did to his marriage, so he sits quietly in the background and picks that those around Gideon, like Eva and maybe Gideon’s mother. If Dr. Lucas doesn’t have the fortitude to have it out with Gideon but instead sits and stews over past doings then I could see the good Dr. being the most dangerous one out of the bunch. Of all the people he has the biggest axe to grind with Gideon and he is the one who stands to lose the most if the truth were ever to come out (if indeed he helped to cover up Gideon’s rapes and abuse). A man who is in jeopardy of losing his livelihood, his career, his savings and his personal and professional reputation would be someone that I could see as being a real threat. I agree with you that depending on the situation, Christopher Sr. could also be a potential threat against both Gideon and Eva. I think the determining factor will be how much Christopher Sr. loves his wife and his family (at least Ireland) and what would he to do to keep his family or keep from losing his family. I think that the family dynamics there could be really interesting.