Reflected in You **spoiler thread**

[LN Cronan]

The full announcement, on her Facebook page, mostly concerned other novels, but she did promise the Entwined publication date is absolutely firm - the publisher's not going to change it. She also hinted of more Crossfire news coming in the future. No, she didn't announced a fourth book in the series is a definite -- not yet.

 

The big announcement is that she has a new contemporary series coming out -- two brand new modern characters we've not met before. The first book is due to be released on Aug. 15 and the second on Nov. 15.

[AMC]

Does anyone think that Raul may serve as a body double for Gideon?

You know --to confuse anyone who may be tailing him---like the police?

[MicheleWV]

GiGi You're right. I never thought about him saying that to Arnoldo ( which is my real life brother's name btw) I think he is saying I love you, just a thought that maybe in another language where it isn't used to describe as broadly and for every little thing like we throw it around in English. There are languages that use different words to show affection for say my love of shoes or chocolate. My family is tri-lingual on both sides and we have discussed this before. Americans say "love" for everything and too broadly. That's all. But I think he's saying it, just packed with fear, so he's whispering it.

I meant she worked him over in that, she knows from her experience how to get Gideon to open. One doesn't go through the she did, followed by all the steps to recovering and dealing without learning from it. Look how she helped/helps poor Carey. She even told Gideon in the first book that sometimes it takes an all nighter to get Carey to open up. I didn't mean it in a negative way, just that she knows just what Gideon needs and she's doing it through and along with her own suffering. She was on a mission that day she ended up in Gideon's car in the rain. She's the perfect girl for him, and visa versa.

God, I can't wait for the next book! ☺

[GiGi]

 

Does anyone think that Raul may serve as a body double for Gideon?

You know --to confuse anyone who may be tailing him---like the police?

 

Hi AMC,

That is a really good question. I can’t remember Raul’s physical description well. I don’t know if Sylvia went into great detail about how he looked. I would think that in order for that to be possible, Raul would have to be the same height and physical description (hair and eye colour) so that if someone were glancing and not looking too hard, they might mistake him for Gideon.

If Raul was wearing a chauffeur’s uniform then I think that theory would fly out the window. :)

[GiGi]

 

GiGi You're right. I never thought about him saying that to Arnoldo ( which is my real life brother's name btw) I think he is saying I love you, just a thought that maybe in another language where it isn't used to describe as broadly and for every little thing like we throw it around in English. There are languages that use different words to show affection for say my love of shoes or chocolate. My family is tri-lingual on both sides and we have discussed this before. Americans say "love" for everything and too broadly. That's all. But I think he's saying it, just packed with fear, so he's whispering it.

I meant she worked him over in that, she knows from her experience how to get Gideon to open. One doesn't go through the she did, followed by all the steps to recovering and dealing without learning from it. Look how she helped/helps poor Carey. She even told Gideon in the first book that sometimes it takes an all nighter to get Carey to open up. I didn't mean it in a negative way, just that she knows just what Gideon needs and she's doing it through and along with her own suffering. She was on a mission that day she ended up in Gideon's car in the rain. She's the perfect girl for him, and visa versa.

God, I can't wait for the next book! ☺

 

Hi MicheleWV,

It will be interesting to see if the next book reveals what his “little whispers†were. I know what you mean as far as the English language is concerned. My family also speaks several languages (my Aunt speaks 9, my dad 4) but alas I am the slacker in the family. I only speak three (). All kidding aside, I was thinking about a very familiar old saying “The man is the head of the household, but the woman is the neck and she can turn the head any way she wantsâ€. It seems that this holds true for Gideon and Eva.

Do you think that Eva set out on that day to get Gideon to talk or was it just a bonus (a result of all her digging and his chasing)? Mrsmajessick made a good point when she stated that every time things turned desperate between Gideon and Eva and she threatened walk away that was when his honest admissions started to flow. If that is true, then the final day that Eva started searching for answers wouldn’t fit that scenario. They were supposedly no longer together so technically Gideon didn’t owe Eva any explanations. When they were in the car, they still weren’t together either and yet Gideon still started to open up. What do you think? What does everyone think?

[GiGi]

 

The full announcement, on her Facebook page, mostly concerned other novels, but she did promise the Entwined publication date is absolutely firm - the publisher's not going to change it. She also hinted of more Crossfire news coming in the future. No, she didn't announced a fourth book in the series is a definite -- not yet.

 

The big announcement is that she has a new contemporary series coming out -- two brand new modern characters we've not met before. The first book is due to be released on Aug. 15 and the second on Nov. 15.

 

Hi LNCronan,

I will believe it when I see it. I recall being told that a certain book would be coming out around New Year’s Eve and then around Valentine’s Day and now it is June….(wink, wink)…

It is good to know that there will be new characters for all of us to dream about, chat about, blog/post about...:)

[LN Cronan]

I actually believe those new contemporary novels will come out Aug. 15 and Nov. 15. Because Sylvia has become a wildly successful author, so successful now that her novels come up for pre-order status. When a publisher is taking pre-orders from readers, that publisher will make certain a reader gets something exactly when promised.

 

It was only recently that Entwined jumped to pre-order status. It's my educated guess that halfway through the Crossfire series, Sylvia became a victim of her own success to Penguin Books. It's one thing for a publisher to co-ordinate the release of books by a good author, especially an author in a niche genre (like romance.) It's a completely different and far more complex process to release books from an author now so successful that millions of her books are being sold and that she has jumped to main stream standing.

 

At a time when all of a sudden the romance genre became really big business through the door Fifty Shades opened, Sylvia Day suddenly emerged as well known as E.L. James. She went from a genre author to serious main stream with the Crossfire novels being positioned at the front of the store, not in the romance aisle. Entwined may have gotten pushed back a couple of times, because this was going in the middle of when Sylvia was gaining her main stream standing. But that, I can almost guarantee, is the last time that's going to happen to Sylvia. Moving forward, Penguin Books is going to deliver on the date the company promises, not delaying anything any more.

[LN Cronan]

Does anyone think that Raul may serve as a body double for Gideon?

You know --to confuse anyone who may be tailing him---like the police?

 

Hmmmm .... there's an interesting theory. But I did find the physical description we have of Raul (it's on page 259 of Reflected) and he's not going to cut it for body double. From Eva, Raul is " .... much younger than Angus; early thirties was my guess. He looked Latino, with rich caramel-hued skin, and dark eyes."

 

However, I can totally see Gideon doing something like having one of his cars drive off (or even planes fly off) in a way to fool the cops into thinking Gideon left New York City on an extended business trip. Like maybe out to Vegas, where he owns casinos and hotels. Meanwhile, he's actually still in the city, sneaking around.

 

I very much like your theory of him distracting the cops in order to physically throw them off tailing him.

 

However, it's my belief is it's Eva being tailed by the cops. She'd be much easier to follow. Especially because (though she didn't know it at the time) the very same morning the cops found Nathan's body was the morning she quit accepting chauffeured rides from Angus (and that one time from Raul.) In fact, between the murder and the end of Reflected, only once did Eva get into the car for Angus -- it was because she needed to find out where Corrine lived.

 

My theories here are ....

• Within the first 24 hours, the cops went to see all the top "persons of interest" (that's cop speak for someone they think was involved somehow in a crime: the perpetrator, an accessory, or a witness with very serious inside information.) These persons were Eva herself, Gideon, Stanton and Monica, any one of whom (h*** all of whom) would have reason for wanting Nathan dead.
• Within 48 hours (the magic window for breaks in a homicide case) the cops narrowed down their list to two individuals: Gideon and Stanton. Trying to figure out whether one or both put out a contract kill.
• Soon after, Detective Graves developed her theory Gideon was the killer, and rather than hiring the job out, did the deed with his own hands. He had access to the murder site (he owned the building.) She's probably still trying to figure out whether Stanton was an accessory.
• At this point, if not sooner, Graves had already pulled phone records for both men and started on an ongoing basis pulling video surveillance of both men -- in order to see any ongoing contact between the two of them (Gideon and Stanton) and/or each of them and Eva. She's the common link. I'm not saying the cops would find anything. Only that they'd look hard. Gideon, being smart, avoided all contact with Eva because of this.
• Then Graves began to construct her case against Gideon based on motive and opportunity, the two crucial things she needs to prove. In order to actually have an excellent shot at getting him (to get any murderer) convicted, the prosecution has to prove beyond reasonable doubt the accused had both "motive and opportunity."
• "Opportunity" means a criminal can actually have the opportunity to commit the crime. Has thw ability to get to the crime scene at the time of the murder and get to the victim himself/herself. The ultimate defense against opportunity is an alibi. In Gideon's case, an unbreakable alibi would mean there's no way he could have stabbed Nathan himself -- he was somewhere else during the time period (a couple of hours estimate) Nathan died. There are witnesses to prove he was somewhere else. 
• Graves has actually found the window of opportunity -- that period of around an hour where the party at the hotel got disrupted by a fire there. She's gone over every other inch of Gideon's afternoon and night -- it's the only possible hole for him to have slipped off somewhere.
• But knowing it and proving it beyond reasonable doubt is two different things. She's been trying hard to break that alibi. The best she's got right now is "possible" NOT definite. Alone, that's not gonna fly.
• So now she's attacking the other half of Gideon's case, the motive. If the prosecution can convince a jury Gideon had solid motive, then that coupled with a possible hole in his alibi might be enough to convict him.
• Just like Gideon carefully set up an alibi, he carefully planned to deal with motive. The motive (which is true here) is that he loves Eva so much he'd kill to protect her. Instead, he's made it look like Eva was simply a new girlfriend who came out on the losing end of a love triangle. Right around the same time he started dating her, a woman he once wanted to marry suddenly became available and wanted him back. He had his choice between two women, and he chose the former fiancee. He even kicked the new girlfriend to the curb. So what would be his motive for killing for a woman he didn't even want as his first choice?

So where I think we now stand as Reflected ended and Entwined is about to begin .....

 

• Having failed to solidly undo Gideon's alibi, the cops are now actively trying to undo his lack of clear motive. They're trying to prove Gideon publicly choosing Corrine and completely kicking Eva to the curb is all one big, fat, elaborate lie. The real truth is his plan is actually very convincing proof of premeditation on Gideon's part. Not only did he plan to cover himself with an alibi, he very elaborately planned to do away with any motive the cops could attempt to prove.
• To expose the lie and to prove true motive, they've set a trap. They've tricked Eva into thinking she can go back to Gideon, coast clear. It's no longer necessary for Gideon to live a lie. Even though the cops know he did it, they're going to drop the matter, because they consider what he did a form of justifiable homicide.
• When in fact, as soon as he starts living the truth, that he loves Eva with all his heart and never wanted Corrine, boom, the cops going to pounce. There are several different ways they can use Eva against Gideon, even without her full cooperation. Best of all would be for Gideon to confess to her. Get a confession out of him and then force it out of her, and they have GOT him. The only thing even better than proving motive and opportunity is getting a confession. That's practically a slam dunk.
• The very same time that Graves "accidentally ran into" Eva and spilled the beans, the cops had a tail in place to follow Eva from the Krav Maga studio. They counted on her heading straight to Gideon's apartment, which is exactly what she did. Meanwhile, Gideon's own expert hidden tail on Eva followed the cops following Eva. She and Gideon barely hugged one another before his own people warned him the cops had followed her. Gideon tells her to leave immediately.
• This, I believe, is why the excerpt of Entwined that sets the scene one hour later at her apartment indicates she and Gideon never got a real chance to talk. She left (or was sent away) immediately. Now she's back at her place, wondering whether she'll ever get to talk to him. Meanwhile, he's disguised himself and snuck into her building to see her. It's "dangerous" but he can't help himself. He has to know whether the truth means he's lost Eva forever.

[Mrs.CrossXxXxX]

I don't think Gidion killed Nathan. I think he knows who did and is protecting them. I'm so hoping for a happy ending they deserve it. I can't wait till June 4th!!!!

[AMC]

LN Cronan:

Will Gideon be indicted?

[MicheleWV]

GiGi, Eva needed to look some people in the face to to see if her gut instincts were right. Gideon told her that he liked when she fought for him and I think she was killing two birds with one stone that day of her crusade. She was confronting his past to get answers AND doing what his mother should have done for little boy Gideon.

Gideon has a track record for following Eva and chasing her and I think she as much as knew he would that day. Remember how she kind of triumphed in the elevator soaking up the man in the suit that came and took her away from the Doctor's office.

In her mind they were not together but as Gideon declares, they never broke up. I think the car ride was a bonus to talk to him and tell how this arrangement wasn't working for her, mostly because of the secret behind it.

Now remember, I am married to a Gideon and I can tell you that when she turned her back to him in the car and went silent... she knew it would get a reaction. My Gideon is super busy, says I drive him crazy and probably misses half the stuff I say- but the minute he thinks he's being ignored, I have him eating out of the palm of my hand. I don't abuse this, only as a last resort LOL. Shhhh our secret.

I do think Gideon killed for her, in that Nathan was getting desperate. That's evident in a EWY snippet. But even if he had someone else do it... he'd go to jail. Don't rule Stanton out. Little is said about his dealings/relationship with Gideon. I'm sure he had his hand protecting Eva while in college and until Gideon.

I'm nervous that as other men come back into her life, Gideon may act out again and we don't want that. We want their happily ever after.

[Mrs.CrossXxXxX]

Magdalene Perez may hold some clues. Why did she go see Eva in bared to you? What exactly are the pictures Nathan had? Maybe library incident? Remember evas mom lectured her in hospital and said Gidion couldn't keep his hands her. How did she know?

[ShazScott1980]

I'm throwing this into the mix.

Been re reading RIY yet again and something made me start questioning things.

Monday morning in the hospital, what do Monica and Gideon talk about ?

I'm sure it's more than Monica giving him into trouble for taking Eva away with no way of contacting anyone,

Could it be about Nathan ?

[LN Cronan]

AMC asks, "will Gideon be indicted?"

Convicted of murder, no. But indicted, possibly. Your question is THE question I have going into Entwined. Will Gideon get indicted -- formally charged with first degree murder?

All the prosecution needs to do in order to get an indictment is convince a grand jury the prosecution has enough evidence to bring a case to trial. That what the prosecution has right now is enough that they have a good shot at convincing a jury beyond reasonable doubt.

They do NOT have to prove beyond reasonable doubt to the grand jury itself. All the prosecutors need to prove there is the cops have built a strong enough case to arrest the suspect. Then the cops will face the first burden of proving to the court their evidence will stand up (will survive any defense challenges to get stuff thrown out of evidence.) And ultimately, the prosecution will need to sell their case to a jury, who in the end will decide whether the evidence proves the defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

If my theories are right, Graves actually has a half-way decent shot already. Motive AND opportunity.

Motive: Graves is leaving Eva to assume (WRONGLY assume) the cops can't prove motive, because Gideon's cover story will hold up. That Eva had been nothing more to him than some new girlfriend he dumped when the woman Gideon wanted to marry years ago came back to him. When in fact Gideon himself destroyed his own cover at the police station when he took that phone call from Eva.

Graves knew long before she "accidentally ran into Eva" (cough, cough) that the phone call which resulted in Gideon's mask sliding off his face and utter devastation replacing it came from Eva's home number. All Graves would have needed to do was pull phone records. Add onto the pile the fact Gideon attended a family dinner at Eva's on Friday, and we're already half way there. But in order to seal the deal, it would be best to get Gideon to quit living the public lie he's back with Corrine and Eva is history. This is the trap being laid.

The cops need to really strengthen the motive half of the equation, because the opportunity side is weak. They've found a possible (ONLY possible) hole in Gideon's alibi - that hour-long disruption to the party when he could have slipped off. That, along with the fact Gideon could easily get at Nathan in the hotel (because Gideon owned the place) might be enough to fly. Might. If they could couple that with a very strong motive side, they could "go for it" to get an indictment.

[AMC]

*SIGH* Dang it---

I say Victor to the rescue....

[KiMa]

You guys are potentially over-analyzing things though. I don't think the bulk of EWY will be about Nathan. To give that much "importance" to him in continuing to create problems for Eva and Gideon I don't see frankly. There was a reason why he was killed off so quickly and there wasn't any show-down between him and Eva re: her putting her training into use and kicking his butt.

I think the circumstances around his death will be nicely tied up in a bow and issues surrounding Gideon (his history, family) and buisness (there were hints of this in RIY where there was potential embezzlement) will take center stage. I see EWY being more about Gideon and from the snippets thus far while I thought things were going to be written from Gideon's side of things, I believe SD is switching from Gideon/Eva interchangeable throughout RIY. Also, Brett will potentially be back so with character development and presence like these, I don't think it's necessary to stretch out this Nathan thing.

There is also deeper probe needed into Carey whom I freaking love and adore so hoping for another book and really for the saga to continue. Lol.

I have long stated that either Monica or Corrine killed Nathan and Gideon is aware of who has done it.

And that scene with Eva having a girls night out, remember in EWY, she asked Gideon if he would object to her having an all girls night out and his subsequent response.... I think, it's evidence of him compromising a bit. She is still at his club where he has eyes on here movements.

So in essence, enough about Nathan whatever happened to him deserve a mere paragraph or 2 the most and have this tied up and done with and emphasis Should be on much important things. Anything else will be a let down.

Just my thoughts.... And apologies for any typos as I am thinking way faster than I am typing,

[KiMa]

It who knows, I am sure Eva wasn't Nathan's only victim so it could be someone else he vilified (attempted to hint hint Corrine) killed him.

I don't want to have any further thoughts about Nathan though.

[LN Cronan]

I agree, KiMa that Entwined will be very much about Gideon's past. Nathan already has taken up too much of Bared and Reflected. I am waiting for the story behind Gideon's abuse, just how bad the family situation was, and what's now become of the guy who raped Gideon.

But the first obstacle Gideon and Eva face is the is-it-safe-to-come-out issue. Initially, they're sneaking around seeing one another, afraid of the cops. So one way or another, they have to deal with the fact the cops may actually still be after Gideon.

[GiGi]

 

It who knows, I am sure Eva wasn't Nathan's only victim so it could be someone else he vilified (attempted to hint hint Corrine) killed him.

I don't want to have any further thoughts about Nathan though.

 

Hi KiMa,

We are absolutely over analyzing theories, things, characters, storylines etc. That is what happens when people have to wait for the next installment of a book series that is beloved! :)

[GiGi]

 

I don't think Gidion killed Nathan. I think he knows who did and is protecting them. I'm so hoping for a happy ending they deserve it. I can't wait till June 4th!!!!

 

Hi Mrs. CrossXxXxX,

Welcome to the forum. I too, don't think that Gideon killed Nathan and I have been ribbed about it (). So it is nice to have someone in the other camp. I have nicknamed it Team Monica, Stanton, Clancy, etc. :)

[GiGi]

Hi MicheleWV,

I never thought of Eva going and confronting everyone on Gideon’s behalf as something that might be psychologically comforting to the “little boy†in Gideon. It does make sense though. In a sense Eva is the first woman who has ever fought for Gideon, taken up his cause and expressed her outrage about what happened to Gideon as a child. I would almost think that if Gideon didn’t love Eva before this, he certainly would love her now.

There is a saying that actions speak louder than words. Those actions must have spoken volumes to Gideon. The more I think about Gideon, the more I start to think just how incredibly insecure he appears to be beneath that confident exterior. I guess the question of the hour is how long will it take for Gideon to trust Eva and let down his guard? What do you think?

[GiGi]

Hi Mrs. CrossXxXxX,

I think that thus far, we have surmised that Magdalene was up to no good when she contacted Eva. I think that the photos Nathan had were of her being raped as a little girl. Only something really horrifying would get the attention of Stanton/Monica and Gideon. All other photos could be passed off to the media as a youthful indiscretion. One need only look at all of the real life socialites out in today’s society. They produce and profit from their own sex videos and no one bats an eyelash. :)

[GiGi]

Hi ShazScott1980,

You bring up a good point. I could almost swear that Gideon and Monica were in cahoots about the Nathan issue. Why on earth wouldn’t Monica let her daughter know that Nathan was in town? Nearing the end of RIY, Monica confessed that Stanton had finally agreed to pay the blackmail. If that was true, then that means that Nathan was in town for over a week and not just a few days.

Why did no one have a read on where Nathan was at? If Gideon was having Nathan followed, why wasn’t he aware of Nathan’s comings and goings? Or was Gideon aware? Did he grossly underestimate Nathan? I think that isn’t believable? Here is Gideon, an abuse survivor himself; he has seen photographic evidence of just how sadistic and violent Nathan could be but he thought that he could control Nathan by just having him followed? It doesn’t make sense. There has to be something more to this.

I hope that Sylvia does clarify things in the next book. It seems that has stirred up a lot of controversy. June 4th will tell. :)

[MicheleWV]

GiGi,

Gideon broke my heart in the car when he begged Eva not to leave him... shaking and trembling with no tears. Every now and then he blurts out an insecurity: 'Maybe you'll like me again' and when he asked her to repeat what she said in the car after he opened up about Christopher Jr. She's getting him to open up slowly but surely. I think he will when he sees that she still wants him after 'what I did' as given in a snippet.

I teach little 6-year-olds in a private school with some prominent families that I've had to intervene on children's' behalf. People that we are intertwined with in business and such outside of school. I have a fourteen-year-old daughter/only child whose father and I watch over and protect. I could go on and on with the correlations. This story hits too close to home and is right on. I'm obsessed!

[ShazScott1980]

Hi GiGi

I agree with you I think Monica and Gideon are in cahoots .

That Monday in the hospital Eva leaves her mother and Gideon while she returns to Cary's room and freshen up . Her and cary chat before Gideon comes in to Eva saying " If Gideon’s touched anything but his hand or me, we’d be over.â€

There was plenty of time for him and Monica to speak. I think Monica saying something like it could have been Eva attacked rather than Cary . Pleading with him to find out who it was that attacked Cary . Asking him where Nathan was and what he planed to do about him.

I am of the opinion that Monica killed Nathan but with help from Clancy and Gideon . Crime of a mother wanting justice for her daughter protecting her like she couldn't before . She didn't know about Nathan raping Eva when she was younger until the miscarriage . But now she could she knew Nathan was in NY and that Eva didn't know he was there.

Monica killing Nathan makes me think that victor will help her out and in turn he will help Gideon out for being part of it.

Victors going to be angry when he finds out about the rape of his only child but the detective in him and his love of Monica will make sure that neither she or Gideon will go to prison for killing Nathan .

The 4th June can't come soon enough to see where this story goes.

I do love that Sylvia has shown us the book cover and even the inside of EWY along with the various snippets from the book..

But a nice long snippet with other characters in it would be good for us !!!