Gideon DID kill Nathan -- that's official from Sylvia in a live interview

[LN Cronan]

"The servants had to know. The fact that they didn't say anything either told me they were scared, too. They were grown-ups and they didn't say a word. I was a child. What could I do if they wouldn't do anything?" - Eva, Bared to You

 

Which leads me to a big Entwined spoiler question I'll throw out anyway, though I'll wait for my answer on June 4 ....

 

What did the servants in the Vidal household know about Gideon being sexually abused as a child? One servant in particular - Angus. Did Angus figure out Gideon was being abused and take matters into his own hands to stop the guy? Is that what earned Angus Gideon's absolute trust?

[ShazScott1980]

Which leads me to a big Entwined spoiler question I'll throw out anyway, though I'll wait for my answer on June 4 ....

 

What did the servants in the Vidal household know about Gideon being sexually abused as a child? One servant in particular - Angus. Did Angus figure out Gideon was being abused and take matters into his own hands to stop the guy? Is that what earned Angus Gideon's absolute trust?

I think Angus took things into his own hands and stopped the guy.

Earning Gideon's trust and respect.

I think Vidal kept Angus employed to prevent the scandal leaking out.

Then the time came and Gideon took Angus out of that situation to work for him!

[julie54]

I would say a big yes to that one. This is a must in the next book. We need to know so much about Gideons childhood to tie up a lot of loose ends.

Angus must have witnessed the abuse or gained Gideons trust that he confided in Angus. He could see how the family had alienated Gideon, and took him under his wing. Perhaps Angus knew Gideons father?

[LN Cronan]

Eva asked Angus how long he's been working for Gideon (as an adult, that is). Angus' answer was eight years. Gideon is 28, so he was 20 when he hired Angus away from Christopher Vidal Sr. Which means by age 20 Gideon already was financially well off in his own right, fast on his way to become insanely rich.

 

Gideon confessed to Eva the foundation of his fortune had been blackjack winnings he amassed by counting cards -- and by making useful business contacts over the gambling tables. I've got this great image of Gideon, still an undergrad student at Columbia and underage for getting into the casinos of Atlantic City (where the minimum age to gamble in casinos is 21) using fake IDs and disguising his appearance.

 

I wonder whether it was Angus' positive influence that made Gideon turn to an honest way of earning a fortune through investing instead of cheating at blackjack (counting cards though technically not a crime is a form of cheating). Think about it: Gideon's dead father engaged in the ultimate form of financial cheating, a massive Ponzi scheme, and I think it's safe to say Christopher Vidal Sr. was a bad example of how riches can be used to manipulate and control people. Then there's hard working Angus, the sole positive  adult role model that we know of in young Gideon's life.

[julie54]

How old would you say Angus could be? I'm thinking middle to late forties.

[julie54]

Revise that to early fifties, just done some sums. Lol

[LN Cronan]

Somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty is my guess too. And obviously in top shape physically (he is a bodyguard as well as a driver).

 

See page 164 of Bared. Eva emerges solo from the Crossfire at the end of the workday (Gideon's not with her at the time -- he's planning to go over to her apartment later.) Angus is waiting at the curb, per Gideon's order, to drive Eva home. It's not the first time she's seen Angus, but it is the first time she notices him as a person, especially because he greets her by name.

 

"He was an older gentleman with graying red hair, pale blue eyes, and the softest of cultured accents." is the physical description we readers get. 

 

The additional things we learn about Angus on that page:

• She sees that he's wearing a handgun in a shoulder holster under his jacket and so she realizes that Angus, like her mother's driver (Clancy) is also a bodyguard.
• He's worked for Gideon for eight years.
• Gideon hired Angus away from his (Gideon's) stepfather.
• Angus has known Gideon since Gideon was a child. "I drove him to school when he was a boy." is what Angus told Eva.

 

The use of the word "boy" as opposed to "teen" is a red flag, I think. Doing the math, Gideon was in the neighborhood of age 11 or 12 when Gideon was abused. That's right on the threshold of teenager. My guess is we're going to find out in Entwined, when we learn more about Gideon's childhood, that Angus was already a servant for the Vidal family prior to the start of the sexual abuse Gideon suffered.

[julie54]

Throwing this out there, but I think that maybe Angus was perhaps a member of the armed forces in his early years? After retiring going to work for Vidal. Just a thought.

[KiMa]

I need to hear things more from Gideon. There have been snippet(s) where we were getting/hearing things from Gideon's own mouth and point of view and I am hoping there is more of that in EWY.

Gideon was introduced to us via Eva (lol, bless her heart) and we thank her for that most needed introduction but I think at this point we need one and one time with Gideon and hear his words, feelings, perspective, fears and just more about him from him on a deeper level, no? At this point, it is sort of required and über necessary.

I think SD will post more about Gideon "killing" Nathan and honestly and respectfully, blah blah blah.

Such turn of events require us hearing from Gideon.

[LN Cronan]

Throwing this out there, but I think that maybe Angus was perhaps a member of the armed forces in his early years? After retiring going to work for Vidal. Just a thought.

 

Most elite private bodyguards (and other members of the top-notch private security companies that very wealthy people hire) generally come from one of two places: the military and law enforcement. Often some of these are the best of the best in those public sector jobs: special forces (military) and top-level police (detectives and upper-level police department management.) They take their skills to the private sector, where the pay is much, much better than what they'd earn as cops and military personnel.

 

Could Angus be an ex-cop? Perhaps even former NYPD? I'm convinced he helped Gideon kill Nathan. Perhaps Angus also schooled Gideon in some of the steps Gideon should take to lessen the chances of being charged, from establishing an alibi to leaving as little forensic evidence as possible.

[Kirsten]

I agree about Angus LN. That Thursday to Friday morning was the only time that Angus was not shadowing Eva. Gideon needed him at that point.

[julie54]

LN Cronan

I did put ex cop after armed forces, but deleted it because if Gideon had been raped surely Angus would have made sure the attacker was put away? Or a few theories are that he was disposed of? I can't see Angus being bought off by the Vidals for his silence. He stayed around for Gideons sake I'm sure. I think Angus probably drove Gideon to the hotel, waited then brought him back. I think Gideon regards him as a father figure. A good role model.

[LN Cronan]

Hi KiMa

 

I'm hoping too that today's snippet will contain things Gideon says to Eva about Nathan's killing.

 

Perhaps even a snippet from Gideon's point of view -- take us inside Gideon's head, not Eva's. Sylvia treated us to that on New Year's Day, the only time thus far we've gotten into Gideon's head.

 

How sweet would that be!!!!

 

Sylvia was reading this particular thread last night -- in fact, posted some spoiler material related to Nathan being prosecuted as a juvenile for having raped Eva. Sylvia could see for herself the absolute fan frenzy here that erupted following her answering the spoiler question on a radio show about "Did Gideon kill Nathan for Eva."

 

So my big hope is snippet material today about the killing. If not that, my second guess (based on the fact Sylvia focused on Nathan's past last night, including that Nathan had been incarcerated in a mental institution) is that today's snippet is going to provide details of just how insanely dangerous present-day Nathan had become. Material that might make some Gideon fans less sorrowful about what he did to stop that maniac. If Nathan had become a very real and present danger to Eva's very life, then it would bolster that what Gideon did was a form of justifiable homicide. Because justifiable homicide extends beyond killing in self defense -- depending upon circumstances, it is also justifiable to kill a person in order to stop that person from killing someone else.

 

(Let me repeat that even I think it was WRONG for Gideon to take matters into his own hands, and I believe he planned this killing hours, perhaps even days, in advance. But I also believe his motive was that he had some very concrete evidence Nathan was about to attempt to kill Eva, and so Gideon put a stop to him from ever being able to get at her. If this is true, I feel Gideon did not commit murder, but rather, he committed a form of justifiable killing.)

[jls1216]

I am hoping we get more insight on Eva and Victor's relationship. I would like Victor to be a bigger character in the next couple of books.

[KiMa]

Hi KiMa

 

I'm hoping too that today's snippet will contain things Gideon says to Eva about Nathan's killing.

 

Perhaps even a snippet from Gideon's point of view -- take us inside Gideon's head, not Eva's. Sylvia treated us to that on New Year's Day, the only time thus far we've gotten into Gideon's head.

 

How sweet would that be!!!!

 

Sylvia was reading this particular thread last night -- in fact, posted some spoiler material related to Nathan being prosecuted as a juvenile for having raped Eva. Sylvia could see for herself the absolute fan frenzy here that erupted following her answering the spoiler question on a radio show about "Did Gideon kill Nathan for Eva."

 

So my big hope is snippet material today about the killing. If not that, my second guess (based on the fact Sylvia focused on Nathan's past last night, including that Nathan had been incarcerated in a mental institution) is that today's snippet is going to provide details of just how insanely dangerous present-day Nathan had become. Material that might make some Gideon fans less sorrowful about what he did to stop that maniac. If Nathan had become a very real and present danger to Eva's very life, then it would bolster that what Gideon did was a form of justifiable homicide. Because justifiable homicide extends beyond killing in self defense -- depending upon circumstances, it is also justifiable to kill a person in order to stop that person from killing someone else.

 

(Let me repeat that even I think it was WRONG for Gideon to take matters into his own hands, and I believe he planned this killing hours, perhaps even days, in advance. But I also believe his motive was that he had some very concrete evidence Nathan was about to attempt to kill Eva, and so Gideon put a stop to him from ever being able to get at her. If this is true, I feel Gideon did not commit murder, but rather, he committed a form of justifiable killing.)

Sadly the snippet didn't focus on that

Here is the snippet "Gideon cupped my face in his hands and kissed me, our flavors mingling. “Thank you.â€

“What are you thanking me for? You did all the work.â€

“There’s no work involved in F(&^*** you, angel.†His slow smile was pure satiated male. “I’m grateful for the privilege.â€

I sank back onto my heels. “You’re killing me. You can’t be that gorgeous and sexy and say stuff like that. It’s overload. It fries my brain. Sends me into a meltdown.â€

His smile widened and he kissed me again. “I know the feeling.â€

We need more written material from Gideon's perspectives v. Eva's!!!

[LN Cronan]

LN Cronan

I did put ex cop after armed forces, but deleted it because if Gideon had been raped surely Angus would have made sure the attacker was put away? Or a few theories are that he was disposed of? I can't see Angus being bought off by the Vidals for his silence. He stayed around for Gideons sake I'm sure. I think Angus probably drove Gideon to the hotel, waited then brought him back. I think Gideon regards him as a father figure. A good role model.

 

Gideon's own mother was convinced Gideon was lying about the abuse. We know that for a fact, based on what Elizabeth told Eva when Eva confronted her in Reflected. We don't know what role Gideon's stepfather played in preventing the accusations from ever reaching the ears of outside authorities. So perhaps Angus, even understanding that the proper thing to do would have been to go to the authorities himself, either feared (or actually knew) that in this particular case, it would only make matters worse, so Angus decided to take matters into his own hands.

 

Because who knew what Vidal Sr. could do attempt to do in order to continue to make this matter go away? Bring in more private pediatricians? Bring in more psychiatrists? Try everything possible to get Gideon labelled as mentally ill, and perhaps even get Gideon institutionalized?

 

Here's just one possible scenario I see:

• The two pediatricians that examined Gideon actually DID NOT find any physical evidence of abuse. From what Gideon described to Eva, when he first told her a little bit about what happened, the abuse started out as hand jobs. Hand jobs would not leave physical marks.
• Angus, from his inside knowledge of that household (and who knew how evil Vidal Sr. was/is) that the chances of "the system" protecting Gideon weren't good, not when thrown up the power extreme wealth wields, power that can be abused? Thus far, that power had been used to convince Gideon's own mother he was simply lying because he was disturbed.
• Angus may have still been trying to figure out what to do when the abuser got at Gideon again and anally raped him (his nightmares strongly suggest anal penetration.)
• Angus found out about that right away -- perhaps even Angus caught the rapist in the act.
• Angus took matters into his own hands on the spot.

[julie54]

Definately need more Eva and Victor. She loves her dad a lot, because of the freedom he gave her, but with certain boundaries , which all humans need so they can grow and be independent people. Monica smothered her for all the wrong reasons, but she thought they were right. Expensive gifts are nothing you can't buy love. Victor gave his love, that's all Eva wanted.

[LN Cronan]

Sadly the snippet didn't focus on that

Here is the snippet "Gideon cupped my face in his hands and kissed me, our flavors mingling. “Thank you.â€

“What are you thanking me for? You did all the work.â€

“There’s no work involved in F(&^*** you, angel.†His slow smile was pure satiated male. “I’m grateful for the privilege.â€

I sank back onto my heels. “You’re killing me. You can’t be that gorgeous and sexy and say stuff like that. It’s overload. It fries my brain. Sends me into a meltdown.â€

His smile widened and he kissed me again. “I know the feeling.â€

We need more written material from Gideon's perspectives v. Eva's!!!

 

AAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We're being tortured!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Great job, KiMa, though, in grabbing the text of Snippet #11 and getting it here before the rush possibly temporarily swamps the server. And my math of noontime was off by two hours. I'm wondering whether a time difference from Sylvia's location was to blame. or maybe I've just not had enough coffee yet.

 

Sooooooo ..... is this snippet from the nightclub scene, after Gideon pinned Eva up against that wall and screwed her brains out? Her thanking him for all the work of just lifting her up, holding her there, and giving her a real reason to have had a very good time during girls' night out?

[jls1216]

Hi KiMA,

I hope there is more from Gideon's POV in Entwined!! I agree that it would really help to understand why he did what he did. 

[julie54]

LN Cronan

That works for me. Because the system failed Gideon, the first examinations proving nothing, gave the rapist the green light to take it further, makes me think he didn't trust the system to protect Eva. Taking matters into his own hands.

Gideon said "if you crave something. I'll be the one to give it to you. All of your needs Eva , are mine to full fill . Whatever it costs me"

it!! He did it!

[KiMa]

Hi KiMA,

I hope there is more from Gideon's POV in Entwined!! I agree that it would really help to understand why he did what he did. 

Yes. Although (lol, I am stubborn like that) I still don't believe he did it. Until I read the last page, word in this series I will continue to maintain he didn't do it.

SD joined the chart last night and I like to observe things. She never came out directly and say "hi everyone, yes Gideon killed Nathan."

She keep throwing out all these other stuff wanting us to ponder xyz snd their cousins. Lol.

I am happily maintaining he didn't kill Nathan.

[KiMa]

chat* oops I hate when my phone does auto correct

[julie54]

I have just posted a quote from Gideon on another thread.

It was while in the library she wanted him to touch her anally, to erase Nathan's touch.

"Whatever it costs me"

Oh Gideon why did you do it.

I'll kill for you, give up everything I own for you, but I won't give you up. !

[LN Cronan]

LN Cronan

That works for me. Because the system failed Gideon, the first examinations proving nothing, gave the rapist the green light to take it further, makes me think he didn't trust the system to protect Eva. Taking matters into his own hands.

Gideon said "if you crave something. I'll be the one to give it to you. All of your needs Eva , are mine to full fill . Whatever it costs me"

###### it!! He did it!

 

Perhaps the first examinations were more sinister than the straight-forward "proving nothing". Perhaps they were specifically arranged by Gideon's stepfather to brand the victim a liar. Maybe Vidal Sr. actually knew it was true Gideon was being abused in a way (at that time) would not leave physical evidence (i.e. hand jobs). Perhaps Vidal arranged things to make absolutely certain the whole matter was kept the deepest of secrets -- when he hired those doctors, he bribed them off to convince Gideon's mother that Gideon was NOT abused.

 

Certainly, those doctors kept their mouths shut instead of performing their moral and legal responsibility to report to outside authorities the mere accusations themselves, regardless of the results of any physical exams. The only thing I can think of that stopped them was that they were both bribed.

 

And if Angus had inside knowledge that Vidal Sr. successfully bribed not one but two doctors, Angus might have concluded that Vidal Sr. would continue trying to bribe people -- and possibly get away with it yet again. Without any marks on him (at that time) it would be Gideon's word alone that would form the basis of a public investigation where those investigators could end up pitted against Vidal's own private medical examiners.

 

This, I think, could have been the reason Angus decided, "I'd better personally stop this animal to protect this child."  Angus is a trained bodyguard, not just a driver, so that would indicate Angus would have excellent skills in both armed and unarmed combat. Plus based on the fact Angus is somewhere in early middle age now (his hair has started graying) approximately 15-16 years ago he would have been of an age then when his physical powers would be at their absolute peak. I could see Angus hurting that rapist very badly.

[KiMa]

AAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We're being tortured!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Great job, KiMa, though, in grabbing the text of Snippet #11 and getting it here before the rush possibly temporarily swamps the server. And my math of noontime was off by two hours. I'm wondering whether a time difference from Sylvia's location was to blame. or maybe I've just not had enough coffee yet.

 

Sooooooo ..... is this snippet from the nightclub scene, after Gideon pinned Eva up against that wall and screwed her brains out? Her thanking him for all the work of just lifting her up, holding her there, and giving her a real reason to have had a very good time during girls' night out?

Oh my, good one. Very steamy and just might be.