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[julie54]

Wowie!!  Zowie!!! Now I am dancing a jig of glee!!  Oh holy cow!! I can hardly wait to hear about Monica's backstory!!  It is like dangling a big honking carrot in front of a very hungry donkey!!

Hi Gigi

I'm sticking with her being an escort lady! Or being a madam! High class of course! ;)

[GiGi]

That's what I'm thinking.  If Eva gets Gideon & Liz back together, I suspect Ireland & Elizabeth will smooth the way for Gideon & Christopher to have some kind of relationship.  I don't think they will ever be best buds but Gideon reached out to Christoper in the past if mom & sis get on board it can only help.

I am thinking that it is going to take a lot more than that for everyone to set aside their grievances and hard feelings in order to become a family.  I think it will take both books before that might happen.  What do you think? 

[Mam2e]

Hi Gigi

I'm sticking with her being an escort lady! Or being a madam! High class of course!

LOL Julie.

[julie54]

Hi MicheleWV, 

I wonder if Gideon somehow hates the fact that he needs Eva's love (thereby making Gideon wholly human).  This is the first woman who truly has the capacity to devastate Gideon.  Eva is the first woman who has gotten a look behind the iron wall he built (as a matter of survival).  Do you know what I mean?

Hi Gigi

I think Gideon finds it hard to accept Eva's love, because, the two people who should have loved him left him alone. His dads suicide, and his mums abandonment.

His hurt, feeling unloved and alone, has caused him to build a wall around himself, so he won't ever feel like this again.

His desperate need and love for Eva, has caused him to lose his precious control, feelings that were alien to him have broken through that barrier. Every time she ran, leaving him, probably reminded him of his childhood, being alone again.

Now he has experienced these feelings, he doesn't want to let them go, afraid to let them go, but it is causing him an internal struggle.

Eva makes him feel alive, but his control has gone.

[julie54]

Hi GiGi

Is Gideon not afraid of losing control because the two people he loved was loved by let him down in such a big way first his father when he committed suicide and this struck me when he was having that conversation with Eva about Hugh and how Hugh's son would feel after he committed suicide something like he didn't love him enough to stay and second the betrayal by Elizabeth for all the reasons we've mentioned .Both of this events happened when he was a child and he had no control over the outcome they turned his life upside down and hurt him in unimaginable ways and now loving Eva the way he does takes him back to that point of vulnerability he escaped from and it scares him because in his experience he has no reason to trust love .I know what I'm trying to say not sure I'm getting it across.

Hiya

You've said what I said. :)

[GiGi]

Hi GiGi

 

1. Is Gideon not afraid of losing control because the two people he loved was loved by let him down in such a big way first his father when he committed suicide and this struck me when he was having that conversation with Eva about Hugh and how Hugh's son would feel after he committed suicide something like he didn't love him enough to stay and second the betrayal by Elizabeth for all the reasons we've mentioned .Both of this events happened when he was a child and he had no control over the outcome they turned his life upside down and hurt him in unimaginable ways and now loving Eva the way he does takes him back to that point of vulnerability he escaped from and it scares him because in his experience he has no reason to trust love .I know what I'm trying to say not sure I'm getting it across.

Wowie Zowie Mam2e, 

Let me see if I understand what you are saying here:

1. I could totally see Gideon being terrified by the fact that he needs Eva so much that it hurts him.  The woman who was supposed to love and protect him unconditionally didn't.  Elizabeth Vidal failed her son in the most fundamental ways.
2. The second issue is that of Gideon's fathers' suicide.  What we as the readers don't know is if or why Gideon might blame his father or himself for Geoffrey's sucide.  Children often blame themselves when their parents do something to affect the family dynamic (i.e. divorce, remarriage, suicide, etc.).
3. I can see Gieon blaming himself for Hugh's suicide because he was looking at the situation through the eyes of a child and not that of an adult.  An adult would understand that each and every person is responsible for his or her actions and that also includes a person committing suicide.
4. Gideon is blaming himself for confronting Hugh which was exactly the right thing to do.  In doing so, Gideon probably saved other children from being abused which is to be commended.  What Gideon saw however is that Hugh's small child was going to be left without a father.  That was't Gideon's doing.  It was Hugh's father.

You are correct, Gideon may feel very vulnerable about loving Eva.  He doesn't have any frame or reference when it comes to loving and being loved by another human being (which is really sad).  Instead of allowing love to empower and lift Gideon, he sees it as a hindrance (which is saddest of all).

 

When you describe it that way, Gideon and Eva's relationship is so fragile...I just hope that Gideon lets down his guard enough to let the healing and the love in that he and Eva so richly deserve.  Did I understand you correctly? 

[GiGi]

Hi Gigi

I'm sticking with her being an escort lady! Or being a madam! High class of course!

 

Hi Julie, 

Clients and money and escorts oh my...

[GiGi]

Anybody think Gideon and Eva could hook Corrine and Brett up together? And in another country? LoL

I was thinking more along the lines of Brett and Deanna getting together.  Deanna can follow Brett on a "world tour" and she can report all of the band's escapades.  Problems solved:  Bye Bye Brett and Bye bye Deanna.   

[Mam2e]

Hiya

You've said what I said.

Sorry ,didn't realise I promise it wasn't intentional.

[GiGi]

Sorry ,didn't realise I promise it wasn't intentional.

I say that there are many great minds on this forum and as such; great minds often think alike!  

[GiGi]

Hi Gigi

I think Gideon finds it hard to accept Eva's love, because, the two people who should have loved him left him alone. His dads suicide, and his mums abandonment.

His hurt, feeling unloved and alone, has caused him to build a wall around himself, so he won't ever feel like this again.

His desperate need and love for Eva, has caused him to lose his precious control, feelings that were alien to him have broken through that barrier. Every time she ran, leaving him, probably reminded him of his childhood, being alone again.

Now he has experienced these feelings, he doesn't want to let them go, afraid to let them go, but it is causing him an internal struggle.

Eva makes him feel alive, but his control has gone.

 Hi Julie,

I had this great post and I lost it! Augh!!  When will I ever learn...sigh!  Oh well, here we go again.

 

I think that Gideon desperately needs Eva's love but I am not sure that he has allowed himself to be really loved by Eva.  I don't think that he has let it sink into his spirit yet. Right now  Gideon seems to be working from a contractual perspective and not from an emotional perspective, but he is slowly learning to let his guard down.  I think that the biggest example was during the lovemaking scene on the airplane.  Gideon was willing to face his fears and allowed Eva to see him during a very vulnerable moment (emotionally and physically).

 

Gideon hasn't had a frame of reference when it comes to giving and receiving love and that may be a reason why Gideon is struggling and finding it difficult to connect with his sister.  In this instance Eva is wiser than Gideon and has the patience to help guide Gideon into wholeness (at least we hope so).

 

Each of these characters has flaws but these flaws don't seem to hinder the progress of the other.  If anything it is because of these flaws that each character is able to so fully understand where the other person is coming from and help most effectively. What do you think?

[Mam2e]

Wowie Zowie Mam2e, 

Let me see if I understand what you are saying here:

• I could totally see Gideon being terrified by the fact that he needs Eva so much that it hurts him.  The woman who was supposed to love and protect him unconditionally didn't.  Elizabeth Vidal failed her son in the most fundamental ways.
• The second issue is that of Gideon's fathers' suicide.  What we as the readers don't know is if or why Gideon might blame his father or himself for Geoffrey's sucide.  Children often blame themselves when their parents do something to affect the family dynamic (i.e. divorce, remarriage, suicide, etc.).
• I can see Gieon blaming himself for Hugh's suicide because he was looking at the situation through the eyes of a child and not that of an adult.  An adult would understand that each and every person is responsible for his or her actions and that also includes a person committing suicide.
• Gideon is blaming himself for confronting Hugh which was exactly the right thing to do.  In doing so, Gideon probably saved other children from being abused which is to be commended.  What Gideon saw however is that Hugh's small child was going to be left without a father.  That was't Gideon's doing.  It was Hugh's father.

You are correct, Gideon may feel very vulnerable about loving Eva.  He doesn't have any frame or reference when it comes to loving and being loved by another human being (which is really sad).  Instead of allowing love to empower and lift Gideon, he sees it as a hindrance (which is saddest of all).

 

When you describe it that way, Gideon and Eva's relationship is so fragile...I just hope that Gideon lets down his guard enough to let the healing and the love in that he and Eva so richly deserve.  Did I understand you correctly? 

You've managed to crystalise it !

Gideon feels his father abandoned him didn't love him enough to stick around and Elizabeth did the same albeit differently.When he is in control things go the way he wants ,when he loses control as he has with Eva =uncertainty therefore scary.

I agree with you that he is taking on unnecessary blame for Hugh's suicide because he sees himself in Hugh's little boy more than he's seeing the monster that Hugh was and what he could potentially do to same little boy and what he had done to other kids Gideon included.

[Mam2e]

You've managed to crystalise it !

Gideon feels his father abandoned him didn't love him enough to stick around and Elizabeth did the same albeit differently.When he is in control things go the way he wants ,when he loses control as he has with Eva =uncertainty therefore scary.

I agree with you that he is taking on unnecessary blame for Hugh's suicide because he sees himself in Hugh's little boy more than he's seeing the monster that Hugh was and what he could potentially do to same little boy and what he had done to other kids Gideon included.

Above post answering both GiGi and Julie .

[GiGi]

You've managed to crystalise it !

Gideon feels his father abandoned him didn't love him enough to stick around and Elizabeth did the same albeit differently.When he is in control things go the way he wants ,when he loses control as he has with Eva =uncertainty therefore scary.

I agree with you that he is taking on unnecessary blame for Hugh's suicide because he sees himself in Hugh's little boy more than he's seeing the monster that Hugh was and what he could potentially do to same little boy and what he had done to other kids Gideon included.

Hi Mam2e, 

It is amazing how children internalize what their parents have done.  It usually has nothing to do with the child whatsoever! I wonder which situation was more cruel; having a child think that they are responsible for their parents death, or being ignored by a living parent, not being believed and being served up on a platter to a pedophile. Each scenario is horrific for different reasons. 

 

You are correct, Eva is the one "thing"/person" more specifically that Gideon can't control.  I could see how that could be scary.  I wonder how much Gideon has allowed Eva's love to sink in?  That would surely alleviate his fears. 

[GiGi]

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to ask quickly; does anyone know when we are supposed to get our first snippet? Are we also going to get snapshots like we did for the last book?  Thanks in advance.

 

GiGi

[julie54]

Hi Julie,

I had this great post and I lost it! Augh!!  When will I ever learn...sigh!  Oh well, here we go again.

 

I think that Gideon desperately needs Eva's love but I am not sure that he has allowed himself to be really loved by Eva.  I don't think that he has let it sink into his spirit yet. Right now  Gideon seems to be working from a contractual perspective and not from an emotional perspective, but he is slowly learning to let his guard down.  I think that the biggest example was during the lovemaking scene on the airplane.  Gideon was willing to face his fears and allowed Eva to see him during a very vulnerable moment (emotionally and physically).

 

Gideon hasn't had a frame of reference when it comes to giving and receiving love and that may be a reason why Gideon is struggling and finding it difficult to connect with his sister.  In this instance Eva is wiser than Gideon and has the patience to help guide Gideon into wholeness (at least we hope so).

 

Each of these characters has flaws but these flaws don't seem to hinder the progress of the other.  If anything it is because of these flaws that each character is able to so fully understand where the other person is coming from and help most effectively. What do you think?

Hi Gigi

Both of this flawed couple, are the other half of who they should be. Together they make a whole person. Eva has had time, through Dr Travis, to uncover her flaws and issues and is dealing with them, her recovery getting stronger daily.

Gideon has just started to learn how to love and trust. To let those barriers down, to accept Eva's love, to embrace these feelings that were until recently alien to him. Those emotional barriers protecting him, will fall when he fully accepts her(Evas)love and Ireland's love for her brother. Between both these women, he will learn to love himself, which he has to do, to love them.

[julie54]

One thing has just struck me. Regarding having no control over Eva, accept in the bedroom!

Dr Petersen picked up on this the first session they had at couples counselling.

He asked Gideon "do you think that Eva's to demanding or expects to much from you." He went on "do you want her to ask you for things, Gideon."

Eva wants her independence, likes having control over her life. Gideon finds this alien to him. He wants to protect her, he wants her to need him. It gives him a secure feeling knowing that she wants and needs him. Making him feel wanted, which his parents didn't.

[Sheens263]

Well I'm a big RPatz fan but I've never seen him as Christian other that the 'running his fingers thru his hair' thing that Christian always does.  But for some reason I don't like that Ian guy at all.  Didn't like him in Lost 

I am not that keen on Ian Somerhaulder either but not sure who else could fit the character

[Whiteybitey]

I'm not keen on Ian either, there's just something too sinister looking about him. I know alot of people like him for the FSOG role and I get that a bit.

I kno Eva calls him Dark n dangerous but I don't think of Gideon like that. I think that's why we all like Henry so much, he has the dark brooding look going on but when he smiles its melt worthy!!

I think if Henry is a no go then an unknown would probably be better!

[Sheens263]

Kristen will have a lot more information since she was working the event and sitting with Sylvia but I'll pass on what I have.

My two favorite topics are Brett & Corinne so I'll start there.

When I asked about Corinne (I tried to rephrase my question a couple times) regarding how soon in book 4 she would hang around. Sylvia said that was a spoiler questions. However, the way she said it and her facial expression makes me think we haven't seen the last of Corinne, especially since we are going deeper into Gideon's story.

Brett again not too much information because the question was a spoiler but she did tell me that Eva is toying with fire a little. This is because there is a tug of war happening within her. She is confused about what she sees as a complete 180 with Brett. Brett played a big part in messing with her self-esteem issues when her self-esteem was already severely damaged from the abuse. (I didn't get this part verbatim but almost) Eva is still playing with her former need to self destruct and this self destruction needs to end. She has to put it to rest and that will happen via Brett.

That is very interesting, I just hope Eva is not going to be silly and do something she is going to regret and to hurt Gideon

[Nrock]

Hi Nancy,

I have read your comments and your theories are plausible.  I can see where you are coming from and it is important to have a balanced perspective when dealing with a subject. I am glad that you are willing to take up for Brett.  It helps to make for a balanced forum.   I am always up for a spirited debate!

• Your point about Brett having convinced him that he was in love with Eva in a way proves my point.  Brett never said that he loved Eva (at least we don’t have any documented written evidence thus far ).
• Brett never even treated Eva with common courtesy or respect.  In fact we the readers get the impression of just the opposite which is evidenced by what Eva said to Brett about why she finally decided that she had had enough.  Brett was gossiping to one of his mates about what a good lay Eva was (which in effect was labeling Eva as nothing more than a wh*re).
• The fact that Brett could say something so inappropriately intimate to a woman that he hasn’t seen in years is disrespectful of Eva as a human being.
• When someone walks out of a relationship; all favours, suggestions and intimations of personal intimacies are revoked.
• Brett never said that he missed Eva’s laughter or the way she smiled or how she was compassionate with people.  The only thing that Brett ever referenced was se* and he didn’t even reference whether it was pleasurable for Eva.  The only person that Brett talked about or cared about was Brett.
• Brett went straight to se* and nothing else.  In my book, that person isn’t entitled to pass GO and collect $200 (as the Monopoly saying goes).

 

Now as for the Gideon thing, we are talking about two separate issues.  Eva wasn’t entertaining a relationship with Brett.  She was entertaining a relationship with Gideon.  At the end of the day, Eva was the one who would ultimately decide if she was going to be in a relationship and how she was going to be treated (which was corrected when Eva no longer was willing to entertain just a se*ual arrangement with Gideon).

 

What Gideon did was not right, but Eva ultimately corrected that situation with Gideon.    It is exactly like you said; Brett has fame, fortune and all the se* that he can want, I am sure that this rock star will find someone else soon enough. 

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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Wish we could get it settled sooner than the fall.

[Sheens263]

Did you see Jessica Simpson had a wee boy and called him Ace?!

Wonder if she's a crossfire addict too!!

Probably

[Sheens263]

I'm not keen on Ian either, there's just something too sinister looking about him. I know alot of people like him for the FSOG role and I get that a bit.

I kno Eva calls him Dark n dangerous but I don't think of Gideon like that. I think that's why we all like Henry so much, he has the dark brooding look going on but when he smiles its melt worthy!!

I think if Henry is a no go then an unknown would probably be better!

I agree with you here, an unknown maybe best but he has to look the part

[Sharonm745]

Hi 

I just read that the cast of FSOG will be announced in July  I'm liking Matt Bomer gay or not he could carry the lead without a problem.  Let's not forget he was in Magic Mike

 

Just saw this   http://www.latintimes.com/articles/5767/20130628/fifty-shades-movie-cast-matt-bomer-christian.htm

 

I love Matt Bomer.  He is a great actor and would play Christian perfectly.  He is tall, debonair and very emotional.  The best quote in this article is

 

4. He can emote pain with a simple facial expression.

Let's be real: Any actor can play a mysterious character with a stoic face. But playing a man in pain takes a lot of emoting and a different caliber of acting. As an actor, Matt Bomer does an excellent job emoting and one facial expression quickly reveals what he's filling. Given that Christian Grey is quiet and hard to read, the actor that plays him should be able to speak with expressions alone.

 

I don't get why people get hung up on his sexual preference.  He is an actor when I watch him on White Collar I never think of him as anything but hot and sexy.

 

In my opinion he is the perfect Christian Grey. The producers of White Collar are excited that the fans want him for Christian so I don't think he will have any problems getting the time he needs. 

[Sheens263]

a wee Henry Fix