Reflected in You **spoiler thread**

[AMC]

Agree..

 

At the end of RIY, Gideon and Eva are in the security office of the Crossfire building  (this is after Eva had lunch with Christopher)..

 

Eva:    ".....Why are we hiding in this office?"

 

Gideon:   "Plausible deniability."

 

Why would Gideon say this?

[LN Cronan]

AMC, on 25 Mar 2013 - 08:23, said:

Agree..

At the end of RIY, Gideon and Eva are in the security office of the Crossfire building (this is after Eva had lunch with Christopher)..

Eva: ".....Why are we hiding in this office?"

Gideon: "Plausible deniability."

Why would Gideon say this?

Here's my theory on that .....

Plausible deniability is also a legal concept. In Gideon's case, if the prosecution lacked proof of their allegation he loved Eva, he could "plausibly deny" the fact it was true.

So if he needed to talk to Eva, he had to make certain not to get caught. Thus - see her in secret.

The secret meeting between him and Eva in that security office took place midday Tuesday. Just that morning, they'd finally gotten back on speaking terms again after almost two weeks of being apart (they'd taken that car ride together Tuesday morning.) Midday Tuesday, she had lunch with Christopher Jr., and Gideon felt he needed to find out right away what had gone on. Because since Saturday, Eva had gone after his mother, Corrine and Dr. Lucas -- and judging by the fact Eva had just had lunch with with Christopher, apparently she was still at it.

So why there (in the security office)? Here's what I think were the key events leading up to that:

• Over the weekend, Brett Klein gave an interview that hit the Internet saying he and Eva had reconnected and he wanted another chance with her.
• Monday midday, Gideon finally broke almost two weeks of zero contact with Eva. I'm certain the Brett interview is what made Gideon decide he had to beg Eva to "wait" for him.
• Gideon broke the no-contact by approaching Eva in the ground floor elevator lobby of the Crossfire, jumping onto a crowded elevator after her. The security cameras would have caught that.
• Monday after work, he made a point of parading Corrine past the lobby security cameras and out of the Crossfire to his car parked at the curb, his hand at the small of her back, a sexually proprietary gesture.
• Because he didn't dare approach Eva a second time only one day later within sight of the Crossfire lobby cameras, he met with her in the security office itself.
• The way to have plausible deniability was to resume avoiding being seen anywhere near her. He'd already blown that twice: at the Crossfire one day before, and chasing her to Dr. Lucas' office that morning.
• So if he wanted to talk with her any more times at the Crossfire, he needed a secret place to do so.

I think that on Tuesday, Gideon had decided he soon needed to tell Eva part of the truth - the detectives thought he was involved somehow with Nathan's murder, so to protect both himself and Eva, he was being careful about being seen talking to her. That's the plausible deniability part -- and when he did get around to telling her about the cops, he'd explain what he meant by plausible deniability.

Eva knew the detectives questioned him about Nathan a couple of weeks ago, because they did it right in front of her at her apartment. But ever since then, Gideon had kept the entire situation secret from her. He still was keeping it secret that Tuesday morning weeks later when he and Eva took the car ride. During that ride, he learned for certain he was going to lose Eva forever unless he quit keeping secrets from her. In fact, when she first got in the car, she told him point blank she'd already begun living her life without him, and the reason she was moving on was because he'd always shut her out.

Fortunately, during the talk Gideon had with her in the car, he convinced her to wait for him to come back to her as soon as he could. But now he needed to be able to talk with her in secret if when he had to, because three things were still going on, any one of which could make her change her mind about waiting:

• Gideon was still keeping a big secret from her - he was under investigation. That's something she might find out about herself from the cops. (Funny thing was, the next night, that's exactly what happened.)
• Gideon was still seeing Corrine -- seeing her for the very reason of plausible deniability.
• In the not too distant future, Brett's concert tour was going to wrap up and he'd almost certainly go see Eva again. Gideon had good reason to be scared, because Corrine is what had made Eva turn to Brett twice in the recent past.

Bottom line: Gideon still needs plausible deniability he's in love with Eva. So if they're going to meet, it needs to be in secret. In fact this is the VERY set-up we apparently have in the early part of Entwined, judging by snippets and the book excerpt itself indicating Gideon and Eva have gotten back together again but are seeing one another in secret.

[Mrs.CrossXxXxX]

Ln Cronan

I think Brett was part of the reason why he approached her but someone on here also mentioned her makeover. He was afraid that she like magdalene gave up because of Corrine.

While the whole theory sounds good I still don't think he did it.

[Mrs.CrossXxXxX]

Ln Cronan

I think Brett was part of the reason why he approached her but someone on here also mentioned her makeover. He was afraid that she like magdalene gave up because of Corrine.

While the whole theory sounds good I still don't think he did it.

[LN Cronan]

Ln Cronan

I think Brett was part of the reason why he approached her but someone on here also mentioned her makeover. He was afraid that she like magdalene gave up because of Corrine.

While the whole theory sounds good I still don't think he did it.

 

You're right, the same weekend Brett gave that interview (to a radio station in Florida), Eva got a make-over. The new look was sexier and sophisticated, and it included a pretty new haircut.

 

After Magdalene threw in the towel because of Corrine, she quit wearing her hair waist-length like Corrine, instead dramatically changing her hairstyle to something more polished. Eva herself was the one who clued Gideon in about why Magdalene had cut her hair.

 

Gideon might have found out about Eva's make-over even before he could see it with his own eyes that Monday morning as she walked by the lobby cameras in the Crossfire. Because Saturday night at a dinner club, Eva ran into Christopher Jr. plus his parents. Christopher complimented Eva on the new look as he danced with her. It's possible Christopher told Gideon about it later that weekend to twist his tail.

 

Gideon woke up scared Monday, with good reason in the face of steadily mounting signs Eva was slipping further away from him with every passing day:

 

• Thursday, without any explanation (none was needed) Eva dropped off an envelope at his apartment building lobby desk containing the promise ring he'd given her and her key to his place. The key was even more ominous than the ring, because it sent a signal she wasn't going to chase after him again like the prior time he'd deliberately pushed her away (that time was because of one of his violent nightmares.) Their relationship had turned a huge corner for the better after that nightmare, because for the first time ever, Eva ran after him instead of running away from him for the upteenth time. She ran after him by letting herself into his apartment, so she was there when he got home. Giving back his key now sent a clear sign she wasn't ever going to do it again.
• Over the weekend, she got a makeover and resumed an active social life.
• Same weekend, Brett gave that interview. Gideon never had gotten to find out what went on between Brett and Eva when she'd taken Brett to lunch three weeks earlier. But now Brett was telling the media he had "reconnected" with Eva and made it crystal clear he was trying to get her back.

Prior to that Monday, Gideon had kept asking her to "trust." Monday, he pinned her against an elevator wall, put the ring back on her hand, and asked her to "wait."

[LN Cronan]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Gideon had found out about the Brett interview from Google Alerts? Because Eva's past habit of following Gideon on Google Alerts had caused trouble from almost day one of their relationship. It had seriously fed her insecurity and jealousy problems, and he'd repeatedly asked her to quit reading stuff she saw online.

 

He took Corrine out to dinner the Monday night of That Week specifically to manipulate the media by getting pictures and speculative stories online. Thus, pictures and articles about him with Corrine were there when Eva checked Google Alerts on Tuesday. By coincidence, Brett showed up unannounced in the Crossfire lobby midday Tuesday looking for Eva. Eva jumped at the chance to get even -- and she made sure Gideon knew it. Just before she left for lunch with Brett, she emailed Gideon proof she'd found out online he'd taken Corrine out to dinner the night before.

 

So what if as a result of Eva taking her ex out, Gideon added Brett to his (Gideon's) own Google Alerts? And that's how he found out about that interview? It'd be karma's way of payback time for Gideon, finding something on Google Alerts to feed his own raging insecurities and jealousies about an ex Eva had who now was a serious threat to Gideon?

 

Ironic especially because the same day three weeks ago that Eva "reconnected" with Brett was the last time she'd checked Google Alerts about Gideon. On Saturday, at the end of That Week, thanks to her Dad, she found out online about Gideon partying with Corrine at the f*** pad hotel. (Dad showed her the picture with an accompanying story confirming when and where the party happened.) Soon as she saw it, she dumped Gideon, and she stopped reading about him online anymore. Why would she anymore? She'd now had all her worst fears confirmed, and she was done with Gideon.

[LN Cronan]

A wrap up about the legal theories motive, opportunity and plausible deniability .....

 

Even if Gideon didn't kill Nathan (I think he did, but for argument's sake, let's say someone else did it) Gideon most definitely is the cops' chief suspect. So all of the three legal theories currently apply where things now stand at the end of Reflected.

 

Unless it turns out in Entwined that someone else committed the murder, and the cops find out, Gideon and Eva need to resolve these issues in Entwined -- most especially they need to resolve them if it is in fact true Gideon did kill Nathan to save Eva's life.

 

Motive: the cops believe his motive is his loves Eva so much he'd do anything to protect her. But there's still trying to establish enough evidence to prove it. They're halfway there because of some mistakes Gideon has made, but they haven't got it nailed down.

Opportunity: they have already have established opportunity. They've found a possible hole in his alibi that gave him the time to sneak off to commit the murder. This part of their case is a bit weak though.

Plausible deniability: as long as Gideon remains under suspicion, he has got to maintain plausible deniability he's in love with Eva, because if the cops can't prove he loves Eva, they can't establish motive. 

 

Gideon messed up badly twice in the first 24 hours after the body was found, doing two things in front of the lead detective to show he cared for Eva. He got caught at her apartment Friday night, then he got really upset over a phone call from her he answered on his cell phone Saturday morning at the police station. 

 

So in a bid to establish plausible deniability he loves Eva, he absolutely cut off all contact whatsoever with her after that phone call he stupidly answered at the police station. And as Reflected wrapped up, plausible deniability was about the only thing standing between Gideon and the cops being able to establish enough motive in order to try to indict him for first degree murder.

 

Until the last three days before Reflected ended, when Eva started figuring out otherwise, the biggest plausible deniability of all had been Eva herself believed Gideon didn't love her. Until Gideon finally started having contact with her again, and then the lead detective herself told Eva exactly what the cops think really did happen, Eva sadly believed all of the following, all of which she'd have told the cops they ever questioned her about Gideon:

• All along in their relationship, Gideon had only wanted her sexually. But his ex fiancee Corrine had some sort of hold over him.
• After he saw the rape pictures, he rejected Eva and went back to Corrine.
• The whole world saw pictures proving he was seeing Corrine again even while Nathan was still alive.
• Gideon been too much of a coward to break up with her himself, so she broke up with him when she figured out Gideon had been cheating on her.
• Since then, Gideon sometimes had been sending Angus to offer her rides, but this was because he felt guilty for breaking her heart. He'd never contacted her again himself after she dumped him.

In the last three days of Reflected, three things happened, each more serious than the last, to endanger the plausible deniability Gideon had worked so hard at for weeks to build and then maintain.

 

1. Monday: he broke his no-contact stance with Eva by approaching her in a crowded elevator at the Crossfire, in front of witnesses and within sight of the Crossfire lobby security cameras (so now there's video plus eyewitnesses).
2. Tuesday: he chased Eva to Dr. Lucas' office, and made it clear to Lucas he cares about Eva. Lucas is a sworn enemy of Gideon's, and now he's a potential witness Gideon still loves Eva.
3. Wednesday: the lead detective in the case tricked Eva into revealing she dumped Gideon, not the other way around, and did it after Nathan was already dead. What's more, her ploy prompted Eva to go running straight to Gideon's apartment.

P.S. On number three, I see a potential legal out for Gideon. The detective was walking a very dangerous line with Eva, who made it clear she didn't want to talk without a lawyer. The detective told her to just listen, and she fed Eva all sorts of things about the investigation against Gideon. Telling Eva stuff wasn't unconstitutional, but when the detective got into the part about the telephone call Eva made to Gideon, the detective slipped over the line into asking Eva to confirm she broke up with Gideon. That violated Eva's (and by extension, Gideon's) right to have a lawyer present during questioning. It's now very possible what Eva said will be inadmissible, as will any further evidence detectives gather as a direct result of Eva confirming she dumped Gideon on Saturday.

[sscrph]

Hi LN,

I think Brett will enter the story early in Entwined which will surely help Gideon's case because from the short time he and Eva spoke in Reflected he seems very determined to win her back and Eva will not be able to "prove" to Brett that she is in love with Gideon because she is unable to do so and in fact not in Gideon's life at all at the present time.

[barbiemitch]

Hi!  Here's a question from BARED TO YOU, chapter nine.

 

When Eva suggested to Gideon that they go "someplace close" after their gym  workout to have sex and he said there is a hotel

near by, his fxxx pad,

where do you think he would have taken Eva to hook up if she hadn't suggested that to him?  Do you think that he would have suggested his apartment then or suggested her apartment with Cary there?

 

What do you think?

[AMC]

Hey, Barbiemitch!

 

I have wondered the same thing---

I think that they would have gone back to Eva's apartment...

I think the reason they went back to his apartment after the pad incident is because Eva scared the s*** out of Gideon. He felt that Eva was going to dump/leave him.

[LN Cronan]

Hi LN,

I think Brett will enter the story early in Entwined which will surely help Gideon's case because from the short time he and Eva spoke in Reflected he seems very determined to win her back and Eva will not be able to "prove" to Brett that she is in love with Gideon because she is unable to do so and in fact not in Gideon's life at all at the present time.

 

I've recently come up with a media manipulation "Plan B" that Gideon and Eva can resort to early in Entwined, what I'm calling "Plan Brett" (and yes, I am smirking about the use of the letter

 

Right now, Gideon's cover story is he left Eva for Corrine even before Nathan died, so he's had no motive to kill the guy over a woman (Eva) he'd already rejected. Problem is right now, this cover story is a wee bit too convenient. And the cops already are suspicious, because Gideon's made mistakes to make them so.

 

What if, the story got out Gideon dumped Eva over Brett, then started going out with Corrine. Add Eva "cheating" into the mix and it makes it that much harder for the cops to argue he had motive to murder Nathan. "Plan Brett" to even better fool the cops, now that Gideon and Eva either think (or worse, know for certain) the cops are trying to trap them?

 

I think Gideon might have had the Brett option as a back-up all along if things got really bad with the cops. Because there were a lot of witnesses to that whole ugly scene after the concert the Friday night before Nathan died. I think he's held off on using that thus far for a few reasons:

 

1. It'd look bad to let people think Eva cheated on Gideon with an old boyfriend who just so happened to now be a big rock star for a record company Gideon practically owns.
2. Worse, it'd further encourage Brett to keep pursuing Eva, the mere thought of which terrifies  Gideon, because he'd seen with his own eyes she's still sexually attracted to the guy.

 

However, as Entwined opens, Gideon and Eva are back together and finally -- FINALLY -- Eva trusts him where Corrine is concerned. However, the fact they're still sneaking around shows they're still afraid of the cops. "Press" has something to do with Chapter One of Entwined. What if that means Gideon and Eva decide to leak the Brett incident? Gideon would need to trust Eva that when Brett comes running back to town, she's not going to take Brett back.

[LN Cronan]

Hi!  Here's a question from BARED TO YOU, chapter nine.

 

When Eva suggested to Gideon that they go "someplace close" after their gym  workout to have sex and he said there is a hotel

near by, his fxxx pad,

where do you think he would have taken Eva to hook up if she hadn't suggested that to him?  Do you think that he would have suggested his apartment then or suggested her apartment with Cary there?

 

What do you think?

 

I think that at first, it had been Gideon's plan all along to take Eva to the f*** pad, and that's where he planed to conduct their sexual relationship. Because of his sexual issues, he never planned to take her home nor spend the night at her place, but he ended do so anyway because he loved her and was terrified of losing her.

 

That particular hotel is the only place Gideon ever had sex with any woman, starting with his very first lover (Corrine) and continuing with every woman since right up to Eva herself. (By Gideon having sex, I mean full intercourse, him holding a woman down as part of his dom/control fetish). As luck would have it, the hotel was near his gym.

 

The first -- and only -- time he ever had intercourse somewhere other than that hotel had been two nights earlier, when Eva seduced him into making love in the back of his limo, and she was the one in control. That scared him so much he went on a major head trip that ruined the rest of the night, which had been the first time Eva had gone out with him. He almost lost every chance he ever had with her because of how he'd acted the rest of that night. He knew it too -- knew he'd blown it big time.

 

Two days later, he convinced Eva to become his girlfriend (and he had to work really hard to talk her into it.) Now it was Gideon's turn to initiate sex with Eva on the first night of their official relationship, and so he took  his familiar safe place hotel room where he could be in control and not worry about going on another head trip. And the second time they made love, it went fantastically.

 

Unfortunately for Gideon, while he was in the shower after having made wild love to Eva, she found stuff (spare clothes, a good supply of condoms, and even a stash of sex toys) that made her figure out the room was his own personal f*** pad. She immediately pulled a runner (unfortunately the first of several that would later plague their relationship.)

 

Her running away terrified Gideon, literally. He'd almost blown it with her the first time they made love, in the limo. And now, after only the second time he'd made love with Eva, he'd blown it again big time, because she found out what he'd been using the hotel room for. She'd already warned him, mere hours before when she finally agreed to be his girlfriend, she had serious insecurity and jealousy issues. Now she'd just figured figured out she was the latest in a long series of women he'd taken to a f*** pad. She felt angry, humiliated and used - and she ran away.

 

I think that Gideon never had planned, when he made Eva his girlfriend, to ever take her home for the night to his place, nor did he plan to sleep over at her apartment. Because of his nightmares, he never spent a whole night with any woman, not even Corrine when they had been engaged. And in recent years, he never allowed any women period (not even women he was socially dating, such as Magdalene) to ever step foot in his penthouse. His mother was the only woman (other than paid staff) who ever had been there.

 

But when he managed to track Eva down where she'd run to after she fled the hotel, and he figured out how hurt she felt, he took the huge risk of taking her home (and spending the whole night with her) to convince her he cared so much she was the first lover he ever brought home. Even that early into the relationship, he was already so desperately in love with Eva he'd continue to break his own rules if that's what it took to keep her. As the relationship progressed, they spent some nights at her place too. And just as he was afraid of, his violent nightmares soon became a problem.

 

P.S. Eva found out, because Gideon told her later (this was early in Reflected) that hotel was the only place he'd ever had sex with any woman before Eva. Thus the later absolute devastation of the photo of him with his arm around Corrine's waist at a party at that very hotel weeks later. Eva believed it was proof Gideon was sleeping with Corrine again, and it was the final straw that made Eva dump Gideon. The truth was the party (including the photo proving he was with there with Corrine) was his alibi for the night of Nathan's murder. The hotel was near where Nathan was staying, close enough to allow Gideon to sneak away from the party for about 30 minutes, long enough to kill Nathan and get back. Sometime in the years since Gideon first started using that hotel in college, he'd bought the place, and he spent enough time there that he knew it well. He set a small fire to temporarily disrupt the party and empty the hotel. Amid the confusion of people milling around outside, he slipped away. 

[barbiemitch]

Hey LN Cronan,

 

Sylvia said that the sex toys Eva found in Gideon's drawer in his f### pad were still in their boxes, which means to me, I'm assuming were never used.  What do you think that means about Gideon's sex life up till then?

[LN Cronan]

Hey LN Cronan,

 

Sylvia said that the sex toys Eva found in Gideon's drawer in his f### pad were still in their boxes, which means to me, I'm assuming were never used.  What do you think that means about Gideon's sex life up till then?

 

Except for Corrine and Eva, all the women in Gideon's life fell into one of two categories:

 

1. Female friends he dated socially but never slept with. Magdalene was one of them and the woman he took out most often, but there had been others in the past, online celebrity photos of Gideon showed. All of them were brunettes, by the way, a weird fetish I hope Entwined explains. Corrine issue? Mommy issue?
2. Casual sex partners he f**** but never spent any time with besides going to bed. In fact, at the very beginning, this is the category he tried to put Eva in, because from the moment he first saw her, he wanted her. But he couldn't easily get her to sleep with him, so his usual M.O. of getting a woman in bed didn't work.

 

For all of his casual use of women, Gideon was a skilled lover, and I think he kept sex toys on hand in order to be a little adventurous if that's what a woman needed to be able to climax. He made sure to please a woman first, so she'd had no objections when he took control and held her down in order to chase his own climax (his sex issues involved the need to be in control.)

 

The fact the toys were still in packages is kinda obvious to me -- he never any of his sex partners around for any length of time that there would be any currently-in-use toys lying around. Sleep a woman a few times, maybe even for a couple of weeks, then send her on her way before she started getting attached. Throw out any toys they'd used, then have fresh ones on hand for the next woman he casually seduced.

[AMC]

I want to know how he became so skilled in bed!

[LN Cronan]

I want to know how he became so skilled in bed!

 

Natural talent combined with years of practice -- and a steady supply of women eager to go to bed with him.

 

Even back when he was 18 years old and nothing more than Christopher Vidal's unloved stepson, he was hot -- so hot Corrine chased him around the campus of Columbia and eventually seduced him.

 

Ten years later, he's a hot celebrity and one of the richest men in the world. For him, finding sex partners whenever he wanted to get laid was as easy as ordering take-out. 

 

Which makes it hilarious he thought he could get Eva to just jump into bed with him. The moment he laid eyes on her for the first time, he wanted to f*** her. He was hot and rich -- she was single and attracted to him. But that just wasn't enough. She made him work hard for it. Then he fell in love.

[Mrs.CrossXxXxX]

I think he still would have gone to the hotel. He had never had sex anywhere else before Eva. When he did he was all weird about it(limo)

[LN Cronan]

I think he still would have gone to the hotel. He had never had sex anywhere else before Eva. When he did he was all weird about it(limo)

 

What really weirded him out about the limo sex with Eva was she "topped" him -- that is, she was the dom. Because of his deep-seated issues, he had to be in control of sex - he had to be the dom. Part of his controlling sex was to always control when and where. But Eva took over control by initiating the when and where -- right then and there in the limo. He submitted to being topped, and she rocked his world. Rocked it so hard it scared the h*** out of him, and sent him on a serious head trip.

[barbiemitch]

Now I understand the whole sex thing better with Gideon.  Thanks to all of you!

 

But......can anyone explain the sex swing?  I can't imagine one being in the hotel room.

[GiGi]

 

And what if none of our beloved characters or the characters we know of thus far killed Nathan! What if, being the serial predator that he is, that another one of Nathan's victims ended his life??!

Point is, I think why he was killed off so quickly (yes, pun intended all around) was because he is not relevant. I honestly think that if he was that relevant that the showdown would have been between him and Eva and her putting her Krav Manga(sp?) skills to use.

I respectfully surmise that Nathan's life ending had nothing to do with any of the characters thus far. I thought at one point Monica, but I don't think so. I then thought he and Corrine met that time he went to the Crossfire and when Corrine looked all freshly sex flushed. I am still contemplating this but overall I think equally plausible is that Nathan was killed by someone else.

Someone like him, Eva was not his only victim. Hence why I continue to maintain whatever happened to him should be wrapped (maybe pun intended) up in as few sentences as possible, a couple of paragraps the most. I don't recall which forum this was stated but just wanted to comment on this a little.

Ps- someone commented about grammatical errors and I just want to point out that folks tend to think way faster than typing and ultimately despite the grammatical errors, we still understand the comments so I don't think its an issue. I for one have made significant grammatical errors.

 

Hi KiMa,

I would absolutely LOVE it if someone other than the “usual†suspects killed Nathan. I think that would be Brilliant!! Those types of endings for villains usually make for some of the most creative storylines. :)

[GiGi]

 

Gideon didn't have to get Nathan to open his door -- Gideon did it himself with a master key. He owns the place, and a master key (key card, that is) would be all too easy for him to get. Housekeepers use them every day. Hotel management carries them too. 

 

Not only would a master key get Gideon into the room quickly, it would get him in quietly. No need to knock. No need to argue "open the door" if Nathan was refusing to do so.

 

Hi LNCronan,

I just wanted to clarify with you that your theory is that Gideon killed Nathan all by himself. In previous postings, you mentioned that it could be possible that Gideon worked with Monica. After reading the posting, I was left with the impression that Monica lured Nathan to open the door and that Gideon moved in and killed Nathan.

My question is why would Gideon need Monica if as your past theory stated that he had a "master key" of sorts? If Gideon could let himself in then Monica's assistance wouldn't be necessary. If you could clarify that issue it would help. Thanks in advance. :)

[GiGi]

 

Gideon's unique ability to get into Nathan's room quickly and quietly, totally catching Nathan off guard, I think is the most convincing argument of all that Gideon stabbed him. He let himself in, stood there in front of the closed door, got Nathan to approach him, then stabbed him.

No banging on the door to get let in. No chasing Nathan around that room, which would get overheard. Most of all, no leaving fiber evidence all around that room. The only possible fiber evidence Gideon might have left behind, immediately inside the door, is going to get destroyed by the parade of people later walking in and out of that room -- from the housekeeper who probably found the body to the crew from the medical examiner's office hauling the body away.

People are assuming, because Nathan was found just inside the door, that Nathan opened it for his killer. It's very clever of Sylvia to make us assume Nathan opened that door, because there are at least three people he might -- MIGHT -- have been persuaded to do it for. The three who could "show him the money" -- Monica, Stanton, Gideon.

But the alternative is this. Gideon got through that door on his own by using a master key. He shut the door and stood there. Then said something to trick Nathan into walking up to him. Something like, "OK, you win -- I'll pay whatever you want." It was Detective Graves' theory that Nathan attacked Cary in order to intimidate Gideon into finally paying the blackmail.

He gets Nathan to walk up to him and then -- BAM -- whips out the knife and drives it right into Nathan's heart. Nathan drops to the floor and in under a minute, his heart will have stopped beating forever. Gideon looks out the peephole, makes sure there's no one in the hallway, and slips out of the room.

 

Hi LNCronan,

I read your theory and I don’t buy the he let himself in bit. I bet if Nathan saw Gideon standing inside his hotel room his first reaction would have been to scream bloody murder! Let’s say for the sake of argument that Nathan was in the bathroom when Gideon let himself in and didn’t hear him, if he came out of the bathroom he would have been startled as all heck! It would be a natural reaction to gasp or scream!

Now if you couple that with Nathan just having been in a fight with Gideon before and being on the losing end of it, there is no way that Nathan would have just sat back passively or tried to attack Gideon. He would have tried to make as much noise as possible to get attract attention and get himself some help.

One must also remember that Gideon would have had an icy stare in his eyes or maybe it was murderous rage, I am sure that Nathan wasn’t temporarily blind so he would have seen that! As such I think that given the scenario that was presented, Nathan would have tried to distance himself from the threat-Gideon.

If some suggest that Gideon could try and sell the story that he came to payoff Nathan, if Nathan saw Gideon in his hotel room, then Gideon most likely would have been standing in Nathan’s room without a suitcase full of case. Two and a half million dollars is a lot of money and would have required a lot of physical space (i.e. a suitcase to haul it around in).

Now if by some huge stretch of the imagination Gideon had something g that resembled cash, I think that Nathan would have asked to see the money first (i.e. Open the bag/suitcase, whatever and show me the money). In which case the game would be over and the fight would be on.

The theory doesn’t work. I also don’t believe that if Nathan saw Gideon standing in his hotel room doorway that he wouldn’t have noticed that nice “shiny†object in one of his hands! No way!!

Let’s recap here:

1. Nathan finds or is surprised by seeing Gideon in his hotel room.

2. Nathan didn’t invite him in. Gideon let himself in.

3. Nathan sees murderous rage in Gideon’s eyes.

4. Nathan may have seen that Gideon didn’t have the blackmail money so that would have put a huge amount of fear in Nathan.

5. Nathan would have noticed Gideon’s hands at some point and would have seen a nice “SHINY†object or a KNIFE!

6. Nathan had no self preservation reactions whatsoever.

7. Theory is a NO GO!

I just wanted to clarify also that if any of the ladies and/or gentlemen in this forum saw some guy whom they had just had a fight with earlier in the day or week and got the losing end of it, standing in their hotel room, uninvited, with a knife and no blackmail money, and wouldn’t do anything to protect themselves (i.e., screaming, trying to distance themselves from the intruder by running for the bathroom or putting a table between themselves and the intruder?! That is Crap! Crap! :)

[GiGi]

 

I totally agree with this that is why I think Monica and Stanton were not involved in this phase of Gideon's plan. I think they were involved from a security standpoint prior to this but that is all. To quote Eva, Gideon has probably been alone all his life. There is no way he would involve outsiders in such a personal undertaking. The only one in Gideon's world is Eva...What do you all think?

 

Hi Sscrph,

How exactly would Monica and/or Stanton have been involved in Eva’s security? Could you explain a little more please? After reading both of the books, it was obvious to me that whoever was responsible for Eva’s security did a crappy job of it. Carey got attacked because someone on the security team wasn’t paying close enough attention.

I say that because, Eva was living with Cary and as such Cary would have been a weak link in the security armor. If someone could get to Cary then someone could just as easily get to Eva as well. Other than work and Gideon, Eva spent most of her free time with Cary. If the security team didn’t factor those points into their plan then they failed. Cary and Eva went to the spa together, ate out, went shopping, clubbing, etc. All of those very acts could have potentially put Eva’s life at risk.

If one couples that with the fact that both Eva and Cary were completely in the dark about the level of danger she was in, and the security team failed to inform her of the situation, then the security would be considered a complete disaster! What do you think? :)

[GiGi]

 

Gideon's unique ability to get into Nathan's room quickly and quietly, totally catching Nathan off guard, I think is the most convincing argument of all that Gideon stabbed him. He let himself in, stood there in front of the closed door, got Nathan to approach him, then stabbed him.

No banging on the door to get let in. No chasing Nathan around that room, which would get overheard. Most of all, no leaving fiber evidence all around that room. The only possible fiber evidence Gideon might have left behind, immediately inside the door, is going to get destroyed by the parade of people later walking in and out of that room -- from the housekeeper who probably found the body to the crew from the medical examiner's office hauling the body away.

People are assuming, because Nathan was found just inside the door, that Nathan opened it for his killer. It's very clever of Sylvia to make us assume Nathan opened that door, because there are at least three people he might -- MIGHT -- have been persuaded to do it for. The three who could "show him the money" -- Monica, Stanton, Gideon.

But the alternative is this. Gideon got through that door on his own by using a master key. He shut the door and stood there. Then said something to trick Nathan into walking up to him. Something like, "OK, you win -- I'll pay whatever you want." It was Detective Graves' theory that Nathan attacked Cary in order to intimidate Gideon into finally paying the blackmail.

He gets Nathan to walk up to him and then -- BAM -- whips out the knife and drives it right into Nathan's heart. Nathan drops to the floor and in under a minute, his heart will have stopped beating forever. Gideon looks out the peephole, makes sure there's no one in the hallway, and slips out of the room.

 

Hi LNCronan,

Your theory doesn’t take into account these factors:

• Nathan would have been startled if he saw someone standing inside his hotel room door without having invited him or even heard him enter the premises.

• It is a natural reaction for someone to scream when startled.

• Nathan had already had a fight with Gideon and got the short end of the stick.

• The only reason Nathan would have had a reason to have any further contact with Gideon would be to collect the blackmail money.

• At some point Nathan would have seen a knife in Gideon’s hands. Again it is a natural response for a person to survey a predator (in this case Gideon was the predator-uninvited intruder).

The theory that was presented completely discounts any actual physical self preservation acts. Regardless of a person’s mental status, each and every person has these responses hard wired into their brain. That is why if someone comes at you with a knife a person’s first response would be to raise their hands to protect themselves from any potential blows, etc.

[GiGi]

 

Gideon violently attacked Nathan when Nathan visited him at the Crossfire building; Gideon subsequently violently attacked Brett for kissing Eva and you guys really think he will then just neatly deal with Nathan like that????

As the detective stated, there wasn't any disruption to the hotel room, and there was just once punch with an object to the heart etc.

There would be more violence if Gideon was involved in delivering the final blow. This was done by a professional

I continue to maintain Gideon did not kill Nathan......

 

Hi KiMa,

I agree with you. I have been saying the same thing from the beginning. I do not honestly think that Gideon would be able to separate himself from the act of killing Nathan. I also don't think that Gideon would just be able to deliver one blow.

I think that if Gideon killed Nathan it would have been violent and brutal and bloody! Now that Gideon knows what Nathan did to Eva, I don't think for one second that Gideon would be able to control his rage. He has suffered the same abuse himself and as such I think that he would have been coming from a place of abuse if he killed Nathan. Again I state that I don't think that Gideon killed Nathan.