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[julie54]

Hi Julie,

Who do you think is counseling Elizabeth Vidal now? Is it still the same psychiatrist or another one?

Hi Gigi

I'm going with Anne Lucas is still treating her. Then Lizzy recommended Anne to Corinne. Anne is a bunny boiler with her own axe to grind with Gideon. Anne and Corinne are the two women she(Anne) mentions at the end of the book, who have suffered depression because of him. Anne wants revenge big time. I think she is still suffering from a psychotic breakdown. Eva had better watch out. There's trouble ahead. :(

[insideofclouds]

Hi Gigi

I'm going with Anne Lucas is still treating her. Then Lizzy recommended Anne to Corinne. Anne is a bunny boiler with her own axe to grind with Gideon. Anne and Corinne are the two women she(Anne) mentions at the end of the book, who have suffered depression because of him. Anne wants revenge big time. I think she is still suffering from a psychotic breakdown. Eva had better watch out. There's trouble ahead.

Good morning/afternoon Julie!

I never thought of the lizard still being in therapy to be honest...thats a very plausible theory you have there!

[Sheens263]

Sorry just loved the eyes

 

[ShazScott1980]

 

 

Ive just learned how to post photos

 

I'M so pleased :)

[jls1216]

Hi Golfergirl,

Amen to that sister! 

 

Hey just a quick question several of the forum members have asked before; Can an attempted suicide cause a miscarriage or is it the medications that are administered to said patient what causes the miscarriage?  Corinne swallowed a bottle of pills when she tried to kill herself.  Was it the pills she swallowed or the medications administered afterwards that could have caused the miscarriage?  Thanks in advance. 

I think that when they pumped her stomach (because of the pills) that's what caused the miscarriage.

[julie54]

Good morning/afternoon Julie!

I never thought of the lizard still being in therapy to be honest...thats a very plausible theory you have there!

Good morning/afternoon to you too

I thought about it last night. Monica has been in therapy for several years, why not Lizzy? She has a lot to talk about. Gideon, her marriage to Geoffrey, his suicide, her penchant for young men(that's my theory thrown in there).

That's how she could have introduced Corinne to Anne Lucas.

[julie54]

 

 

Ive just learned how to post photos

 

I'M so pleased :)

Hi Shaz

Well done lady

Love the Henry pics. :)

[LN Cronan]

I'm going with Anne Lucas is still treating her. Then Lizzy recommended Anne to Corinne. Anne is a bunny boiler with her own axe to grind with Gideon. Anne and Corinne are the two women she(Anne) mentions at the end of the book, who have suffered depression because of him. Anne wants revenge big time. I think she is still suffering from a psychotic breakdown. Eva had better watch out. There's trouble ahead.

 

Dr. Anne Lucas still treating Lizzie in order to mess with Lizzie's mind is one way for Anne to enact a form of revenge against Gideon. Keep brainwashing Lizzie into believing Gideon had to have lied about the abuse because he was such a troubled kid. Also "encourage" Lizzie in ways to try to bridge the gap between Lizzie and her son, but all  "helpful suggestions" Anne is making are actually manipulating Lizzie into doing things that make matters worse. Like chasing him in a way that violates his emotional boundaries. Laying guilt trips on him that instantly raise his icy shield.

 

Moving forward in the thread, I'm going to call her Dr. Anne Lucas in emphasis that she is a psychiatrist -- the highest degree of specialty there is in the mental health treatment field, a medical doctor who specializes in mental illness. One of the most important aspects of being a psychiatrist is specializing in the use of drugs to treat illnesses -- and the legal capability of prescribing the medications. That's crucial when it comes to the suspicions Anne ended up treating Corrine. As a psychiatrist, Anne would have specialist information in how the medications work -- including their negative side effects and the fact that in some cases, the meds can make matters even worse. If Anne literally wanted to drive Corrine insane via feeding her psych meds, Anne would know exactly how to do it.

[julie54]

I don't know how I do it. But mine are bigger than the rest of yours. woohoo!

[LN Cronan]

I don't know how I do it. But mine are bigger than the rest of yours. woohoo!

 

Are we going to start comparing whose Gideon is, um ... bigger .... than whose?

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA - get it, "bigger"

 

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's Mad Monday.

[julie54]

Dr. Anne Lucas still treating Lizzie in order to mess with Lizzie's mind is one way for Anne to enact a form of revenge against Gideon. Keep brainwashing Lizzie into believing Gideon had to have lied about the abuse because he was such a troubled kid. Also "encourage" Lizzie in ways to try to bridge the gap between Lizzie and her son, but all  "helpful suggestions" Anne is making are actually manipulating Lizzie into doing things that make matters worse. Like chasing him in a way that violates his emotional boundaries. Laying guilt trips on him that instantly raise his icy shield.

 

Moving forward in the thread, I'm going to call her Dr. Anne Lucas in emphasis that she is a psychiatrist -- the highest degree of specialty there is in the mental health treatment field, a medical doctor who specializes in mental illness. One of the most important aspects of being a psychiatrist is specializing in the use of drugs to treat illnesses -- and the legal capability of prescribing the medications. That's crucial when it comes to the suspicions Anne ended up treating Corrine. As a psychiatrist, Anne would have specialist information in how the medications work -- including their negative side effects and the fact that in some cases, the meds can make matters even worse. If Anne literally wanted to drive Corrine insane via feeding her psych meds, Anne would know exactly how to do it.

She is coming across as a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde character. Could she be self medicating? Making her more psychotic?

[julie54]

Are we going to start comparing whose Gideon is, um ... bigger .... than whose?

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA - get it, "bigger"

 

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's Mad Monday.

Sounds like you are well rested today!!

Lol :D

[Sharonm745]

Dr. Anne Lucas still treating Lizzie in order to mess with Lizzie's mind is one way for Anne to enact a form of revenge against Gideon. Keep brainwashing Lizzie into believing Gideon had to have lied about the abuse because he was such a troubled kid. Also "encourage" Lizzie in ways to try to bridge the gap between Lizzie and her son, but all  "helpful suggestions" Anne is making are actually manipulating Lizzie into doing things that make matters worse. Like chasing him in a way that violates his emotional boundaries. Laying guilt trips on him that instantly raise his icy shield.

 

Moving forward in the thread, I'm going to call her Dr. Anne Lucas in emphasis that she is a psychiatrist -- the highest degree of specialty there is in the mental health treatment field, a medical doctor who specializes in mental illness. One of the most important aspects of being a psychiatrist is specializing in the use of drugs to treat illnesses -- and the legal capability of prescribing the medications. That's crucial when it comes to the suspicions Anne ended up treating Corrine. As a psychiatrist, Anne would have specialist information in how the medications work -- including their negative side effects and the fact that in some cases, the meds can make matters even worse. If Anne literally wanted to drive Corrine insane via feeding her psych meds, Anne would know exactly how to do it.

 

I don't see Anne as Elizabeth's psychiatrist today.  As close as Gideon monitors Dr. Terry it seems that he would know and say something to Eva. 

[Sheens263]

Hey guys, watch this clip, it shows Henry training for Man Of Steel along with the National Guard, I thought it was great, just seeing Henry's tight body

 

[Sheens263]

 

 

Ive just learned how to post photos

 

I'M so pleased :)

Yay way to go, great photo as well

[GLH]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion of Anne and Llizzy.  Last night I reread the section where Eva was at Parker's and met up with Graves again and they sparred.  The line that is bothering me is about the bracelet on the Russian.  Why do you think, if indeed the case is supposedly cold, Graves tells Eva to be concerned about that bracelet?  It just is nagging at me.  What am I missing?

 

And congrats to Henry.  MAN OF STEEL  breaking records to great for him.  God, he is so hot.

[Sheens263]

I don't know how I do it. But mine are bigger than the rest of yours. woohoo!

Your What Julie ??????????????  LOL

[LN Cronan]

If all of our darkest suspicions are true about Anne, then she actually is as evil as Terry believes (falsely) Gideon is.

 

Page 241 of Reflected has the conversation between Terry and Eva in the hospital cafeteria. He could see she looked like h.e.l.l. And at the time, Gideon actually was putting her through h.e.l.l. Terry swooped in to poison her mind and caught her at a vulnerable time.

 

Below are the things he said ... and then in italics are the things that actually could apply to Anne;

 

Terry to Eva: "Gideon Cross is a narcissistic sociopath ..."

Anne Lucas does narcissistic things (like being a using her sexuality to deliberately manipulate guys) and she most definitely a sociopath (if she was in fact driving Corrine to suicide, then Anne was committing pre-meditated murder purely for revenge purposes to hurt Gideon.)

 

Terry to Eva: "I believe he's a misogynist. He uses his money to seduce women, then despises them for being shallow enough to find his wealth attractive.

Anne Lucas comes across as some sort of man-hater, a serial cheater. She uses her psychiatric skills to manipulate other people, including men, and she despises ones she feels are weak, like her husband, because she has no respect for the man, who obviously loves her. And I'll bet she's fed Terry a tale about how "abusive" Gideon was to her mentally, convincing Terry that Gideon is a monster.

 

Terry to Eva: "He uses sex to control, and you never what sort of mood you'll find him in."

She uses sex to control, and you never know what sort of mood to pull stunts you'll find her in.

 

Terry to Eva: "He's a master manipulator and liar. Don't underestimate him. He's a twisted, dangerous man capable of just about anything."

Just insert "she and her" and you've got Anne.

[julie54]

Your What Julie ??????????????  LOL

Every time I make a comment on a photo, when it pops up again, it's grown in size. How? But h e l l I'm not complaining!!! Lol :D

[LN Cronan]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion of Anne and Llizzy.  Last night I reread the section where Eva was at Parker's and met up with Graves again and they sparred.  The line that is bothering me is about the bracelet on the Russian.  Why do you think, if indeed the case is supposedly cold, Graves tells Eva to be concerned about that bracelet?  It just is nagging at me.  What am I missing?

 

And congrats to Henry.  MAN OF STEEL  breaking records to great for him.  God, he is so hot.

 

Because as long as there are loose ends, it might not be possible for Graves to just "bury" the Nathan investigation forever. Just because it's "cold" does not mean it's over. It means the cops have hit some dead ends but at any time some sort of new evidence could reignite things to make it a hot case again.

 

Plus, organized crime is the jurisdiction of the FBI (the Federal police) so depending upon where the Russian Mafia stuff leads, there's always a chance that the FBI might want to take over Nathan's murder investigation from the NYPD. Graves would completely lose control of that case -- and another set of eyes looking at all the files might be suspicious of what she did -- and did NOT -- do.

[julie54]

If all of our darkest suspicions are true about Anne, then she actually is as evil as Terry believes (falsely) Gideon is.

 

Page 241 of Reflected has the conversation between Terry and Eva in the hospital cafeteria. He could see she looked like h.e.l.l. And at the time, Gideon actually was putting her through h.e.l.l. Terry swooped in to poison her mind and caught her at a vulnerable time.

 

Below are the things he said ... and then in italics are the things that actually could apply to Anne;

 

Terry to Eva: "Gideon Cross is a narcissistic sociopath ..."

Anne Lucas does narcissistic things (like being a ###### using her sexuality to deliberately manipulate guys) and she most definitely a sociopath (if she was in fact driving Corrine to suicide, then Anne was committing pre-meditated murder purely for revenge purposes to hurt Gideon.)

 

Terry to Eva: "I believe he's a misogynist. He uses his money to seduce women, then despises them for being shallow enough to find his wealth attractive.

Anne Lucas comes across as some sort of man-hater, a serial cheater. She uses her psychiatric skills to manipulate other people, including men, and she despises ones she feels are weak, like her husband, because she has no respect for the man, who obviously loves her. And I'll bet she's fed Terry a tale about how "abusive" Gideon was to her mentally, convincing Terry that Gideon is a monster.

 

Terry to Eva: "He uses sex to control, and you never what sort of mood you'll find him in."

She uses sex to control, and you never know what sort of mood to pull stunts you'll find her in.

 

Terry to Eva: "He's a master manipulator and liar. Don't underestimate him. He's a twisted, dangerous man capable of just about anything."

Just insert "she and her" and you've got Anne.

OMG. You are so right. This woman is so twisted. She is poisoning everyone around Gideon, exacting her revenge on him. Slowly and methodically. How has she still got a licence? Doesn't her husband she how she is behaving.

What will she do next? Eva will definitely be in danger, if she is allowed to continue.

[sscrph]

Sorry just loved the eyes

 

The EYES have it and the sculpted LIPS of course... :)

[sscrph]

Hi Sscrph,

Do you think that Elizabeth Vidal really knows how happy her son is with Eva?  Do you think that she would even allow herself to see somethin

g like that?  I wonder…what do you think?  What does everyone think?

I think she knows it but she is in denial , she knows that soon if Eva has her way the chickens will all come home to roost so to speak!!!

[Sheens263]

Every time I make a comment on a photo, when it pops up again, it's grown in size. How? But h e l l I'm not complaining!!! Lol

I bet your not, especially if it is a certain "Superman" LOL  Super in so many ways hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Sheens263]

The EYES have it and the sculpted LIPS of course...

Oh what we know those lips can do of course Yum Yum, sorry is it too early to be in the gutter