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Hey GiGi!

Yes I've heard about it but I haven't read the published paper yet! To be honest I'm in my lab for experience, marijuana research is not something I'm very interested in as far as persuing that in the future. The study I'm in its in its infancy now so I wont be a part of it until the end (got other things to do with my life lol) but if by the time it is published and we're all still on the forum then ill definitely let you know! It's longitudinal so it's gonna take a while lol.

Trying to catch up. Where did pot come into play

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And you, Gigi! I apologise if I seem a bit grumpy today, I was up all night with a stomach bug so I'm tired and cranky today.

Have a great day :)

Hi Rogue, 

No worries.  I didn't think you were grumpy.  It's all good.  Rest up lady and get plenty of rest!  I hope you feel better soon!  :)  :)

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Trying to catch up. Where did pot come into play

 

Hi Donna, 

I could say something cheeky but Claudine and I were just discussing some recent studies that were done on marijuana use and the incidence or occurence of mental illness in teenagers. I hope I didn't confuse you.  :)

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No reason to apologize. I was just wondering

 

Hi Donna, 

I just wanted to add that for some kids who smoke pot wind up with schizophrenia or other severe mental illnesses.  Researchers don't know why, but some kids who smoke marijuana are more susceptible to mental illness.  Something in the brain gets affected or damaged somehow.  They are doing research to try and figure out why that occurs.  It really is very interesting research. 

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I do not think Gideon needs to offer Corinne an explanation for any of his actions including present day. As Eva told him, stow the guilt and move on . If he had done this earlier, Corinne would not have been in this picture and thus no mixed signals would have been sent. Less is more in this situation. And not only that, Corinne may not want Gideon to see her in her present condition just making things more difficult for her . On the other hand, if she took the pills on purpose he is playing right into her hands... Eva needs to put a stop to this ...In other words, Gideon needs to stop contact with Corinne as soon as YESTERDAY!!! IMO...

 

Hi Sscrph,

You are correct, Corinne may not want Gideon to see her like this.  What human being would want another person to see them when they were scraping the bottome of the barrel?  The only place where we differ is that Gideon needs to put a stop to this entire situation.  Gideon created this situation and I think that Gideon needs to clean it up. 

 

I don't see this storyline playing out for too much longer though.  Where else would someone go with this?  At some point the storyline loses it's validity and people get bored and maybe even p***d off.  I hope Sylvia wraps this up quickly. 

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Hi Gigi,

I do get what you mean. What I mean, is that I don't really see what Gideon can tell her that she doesn't already know.

If what you are saying is true, that Corinne walked away because it had become clear Gideon couldn't open up to her / couldn't marry her. What more can he say? He's not going to tell her about his abuse, all he can really do is apologise for not being more honest with her at the time - which I totally agree he should do.

However, I don't think Gideon sending her mixed messages for a couple of weeks is enough to make her mentally ill. Sure, it could have made her worse, but I think her mental illness stems from her inability / unwillingness to see the truth.

She walked away because she realised Gideon didnt love her like she loved him, yet she's convinced herself that Gideon was pining for her all these years. She's convinced herself that she loves this man she doesn't really know, instead of opening her heart to the man she's with, who loves her, married her etc... she's convinced herself that JFG is indifferent to her, which is not something I get from him in the book. He clearly loves her, but he's a bit of a coward, or maybe he's sick and tired of living in the shadow of Gideon's memory!

If that's the case Corinne's relationship / mental illness problems are of her own making and while I think Gideonn should apologise for not being more honest with Corinne all those years ago. I don't think he should continue to feel guilt for HER actions, since the end of their relationship 7 odd years ago.

Do you see what I mean? Gideon can't tell her anything she doesn't already know - the problem is that she doesn't want to accept it. And that's her issue, not his.

 

  

Hi Rogue,

I read your statement and I can completely see where you are coming from.  My suggestion of Gideon offering an explanation about why they broke up all those years ago would come from the fact that Gideon has had an opportunity to reflect on why he did what he did over the years and maybe he could put things in perspective for Corinne.  I don’t think he has to go into great detail, just apologize.

 

I agree with you, that Gideon sending mixed messages to Corinne wouldn’t have made her mentally ill.  I think that she was mentally ill long before she ever came to New York.  I think that everything that happened in (perhaps being seen by Anne, purposely being given medications that caused her to have suicidal thoughts, etc.) New York exacerbated her condition.

 

You make a very clear and compelling case of a woman who deluded herself and that also most likely fed into her mental illness.  Now whether she was mentally ill and then she deluded herself, I don’t know and I am not sure anyone can know.  It is obvious that something happened all those ago that stuck with Corinne and created subsequent problems for her.   I hope that she gets help for it.

 

You are also completely correct in that Gideon shouldn’t continue to feel guilt over Corinne’s attempted suicide (or anyone else’s for that fact!).  At the end of the day, Corinne is the one who swallowed that bottle of pills and suffered a miscarriage, not Gideon.  No one forced her to swallow those pills.  She did that all on her own. 

 

You also make an incredibly good point about how Corinne handled her marriage.  It is almost as if she couldn’t reconcile herself with the fact, that although her “dream†of marrying Gideon may not have come true, she has made a really nice life for herself with a nice guy (let’s hope JF is a nice guy), in spite of her breakup with Gideon.   

 

At the end of the day, Corinne is responsible for herself.  If Gideon can apologize and she will accept it, then he should. Above and beyond that Gideon doesn’t owe Corinne anything more.  You are correct, Corinne’s issues are her own and she will have to face them.  Now the medical system is involved and she won’t be able to manipulate them; if this was all just a ruse, or she will finally start getting the help that she so desperately needed all these years. 

 

Are we good now?  Can we finally book Corinne a ticket back to France?  Please say yes! :)  Thank you for the discussion.  :)

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Hi Rogue,

I read your statement and I can completely see where you are coming from. My suggestion of Gideon offering an explanation about why they broke up all those years ago would come from the fact that Gideon has had an opportunity to reflect on why he did what he did over the years and maybe he could put things in perspective for Corinne. I don’t think he has to go into great detail, just apologize.

I agree with you, that Gideon sending mixed messages to Corinne wouldn’t have made her mentally ill. I think that she was mentally ill long before she ever came to New York. I think that everything that happened in (perhaps being seen by Anne, purposely being given medications that caused her to have suicidal thoughts, etc.) New York exacerbated her condition.

You make a very clear and compelling case of a woman who deluded herself and that also most likely fed into her mental illness. Now whether she was mentally ill and then she deluded herself, I don’t know and I am not sure anyone can know. It is obvious that something happened all those ago that stuck with Corinne and created subsequent problems for her. I hope that she gets help for it.

You are also completely correct in that Gideon shouldn’t continue to feel guilt over Corinne’s attempted suicide (or anyone else’s for that fact!). At the end of the day, Corinne is the one who swallowed that bottle of pills and suffered a miscarriage, not Gideon. No one forced her to swallow those pills. She did that all on her own.

You also make an incredibly good point about how Corinne handled her marriage. It is almost as if she couldn’t reconcile herself with the fact, that although her “dream†of marrying Gideon may not have come true, she has made a really nice life for herself with a nice guy (let’s hope JF is a nice guy), in spite of her breakup with Gideon.

At the end of the day, Corinne is responsible for herself. If Gideon can apologize and she will accept it, then he should. Above and beyond that Gideon doesn’t owe Corinne anything more. You are correct, Corinne’s issues are her own and she will have to face them. Now the medical system is involved and she won’t be able to manipulate them; if this was all just a ruse, or she will finally start getting the help that she so desperately needed all these years.

Are we good now? Can we finally book Corinne a ticket back to France? Please say yes! :) Thank you for the discussion. :)

Hi Gigi

All good, thanks for a great debate! ! And yes to the plane ticket back to France! ! I'll even upgrade her to first class if she'll leave faster LOL :D

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Hi Gigi

All good, thanks for a great debate! ! And yes to the plane ticket back to France! ! I'll even upgrade her to first class if she'll leave faster LOL :D

Hi Rogue, 

Thank you for a great debate too!  I really have enjoyed getting to know what your perspective is on this subject.  Thank you for giving me the opportunity to hone my debate skills as well.  :D

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Hi Gigi,

Yes I'm finally starting to feel better thank you.

Hope you have a great day :)

 

Hi Rogue, 

Thank you.  :)   I am so glad that you are starting to feel better.  Sometimes it can be a real challenge when one's tummy doesn't want to cooperate! :)

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This is my prediction about the whole wedding and when everyone will know; and other events.

In the last chapter of EWU, while Gideon is helping Eva is getting ready  for the charity event: he makes a comment about showing off his wife, Eva says, no one knows I am your wife. Gideon's response; "I know it." He came up behind me and secured my zipper. "And soon -really soon- the whole world will know it."

 I do think that the news will hit, via Deanna about their wedding on the island. I am having second thoughts on whether or not the photos will be released. But I think by Saturday this will be the top society news. This needs to be made public to help the couple move forward in dealing with the video, Brett, Corinne & the families. I think on Friday Eva will take her mother to lunch & break the news to her; promising that she can still plan the second New York wedding. Eva will tell Cary on Friday. When Eva gets to San Diego she can tell her dad and also ask him to walk her down the aisle. Gideon will tell Ireland.

I think that Gideon lets Eva go to San Diego with Cary, he has to trust her, but there will be security. But , Gideon will fly out on Saturday to deal with the s*x tape. Eva will confront Brett by herself about her & Gideon being married, so no chance for Brett. She might have to use a little Krav Maga.

Gideon & Elizabeth will have to have a showdown. Gideon will not let Elizabeth bad mouth Eva or try to blame Eva for his problems. I think that he will pay a visit to mommy dearest & lay it on the line. Gideon will tell her she needs to accept certain truths or forget having him in her life at all.

Gideon will have to face the abuse and his feelings of guilt over Corinne in order to heal. Thankfully, he will have Eva by his side to face all of these things. It will make him stronger, since they can face the problems together.

Not quite sure about Megumi, worried that she has been sick. Did her boyfriend assault her, could her boyfriend be Christopher Jr.

The other thing is I am not to sure about Will, the new guy at the office.

The 10th floor is going to be for Eva. This will be for her foundation. Will she also take over running Gideon's foundation -Crossroads. Mark will come work there also.

Monica has to come clean with Eva about her past. I do not think that she was an escort or call girl. I think she is definitely ashamed of what she had to do to  make a living when Eva was young, before her first marriage. Has she lost the money that she got in that divorce? Did she have to bail out husband 2, or does she have a connection to the mob because of him? Is the marriage between her & Stanton loveless? Is this more of a business transaction: he needs a trophy wife, Monica needs the security of money & social position. Stanton will give Monica everything she needs & take care of Eva, if Monica is there on his arm & fulfilling all the social needs. 

When Monica was pregnant with Eva , I wonder if she still had contact with Victor. I think she must have; she agreed to name Eva after Victor's mom. With this being said, I think that Victor must have contact with Monica & Eva; I don't think he would have let her job be as an escort or the like.  But then I wonder if maybe she was a show girl in Vegas. I figure Monica is only 42 years old.

 

Ok so I feel that I have rambled enough! Sorry! We just need books 4 & 5!!

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