SPOILERS: Entwined with You Overall Discussion

[Sharonm745]

 

I'm not 100% convinced either .... the plot has very cleverly been set up to create Did-Anne-Try-To-Kill-Corrine as the final cliffhanger ... more to be revealed in Book Four.

 

But possible explanations of how Corrine got hooked up with Anne Lucas are:

• The Lucases and the Vidals move in the same social circles.
• The Vidals already have employed one professional from Anne's family - Hugh - so the connection between the two families goes deeper than social.
• Corrine obviously had her own close relationship with Elizabeth Vidal stemming from when Corrine had been Gideon's fiancee and now re-kindled in the hopes that Corrine would become Elizabeth's daughter-in-law after all.
• Corrine, having lived abroad for many years, wouldn't have any recent history with any doctors in New York. She probably had yet to even find a primary care doctor.
• Corrine obviously was including Gideon's family in her own desperate attempts to tie Gideon to herself (having no idea just why there was a chilly relationship between Gideon and the Vidals).

 

I can see Corrine, stalking and willing to try just about anything, spending quality time with Elizabeth. And Elizabeth, seeing how hard of a time Corrine was having (which was true), suggesting Corrine seek help. Once Corrine became convinced to do so, Corrine probably asked Elizabeth whether she knew of any good doctors. Voila -- Elizabeth gives Corrine's Dr. Anne Lucas' name.

 

I might be proven wrong in Book 4 ... certainly, a lot of my theories about Book 3 didn't pan out, because Sylvia is far too clever an author. But some important theories I had did pan out, the final cliffhanger matters in Book 1 and Book 2 did pan out:

 

• Bared to You: the final chapter set up the fact that Corrine was going to prove to be a serious threat after all to Eva and Gideon, despite all the assurances to the contrary Gideon gave Eva. Eva could see Corrine was practically stalking Gideon and no good could come of him continuing to have contact with Corrine.
• Reflected in You: the final chapter revelation Gideon killed Nathan. I just knew it, and I never deviated from that right on up to the day Sylvia confirmed in a live radio station interview this spring that Gideon did, in fact, kill Nathan.
• Entwined with You: the final chapter revealed Anne is a psychiatrist, and my gut is now telling me Corrine having been on medication that made her depression much worse instead of better was no accident.

 

 

I agree with your conclusions. 

 

I'm thinking Elizabeth was drafted by Corinne to get on her side to become Mrs. G. Cross.

[Sharonm745]

I agree, LN, Anne Lucas' over medication of Corinne was no accident.

I feel that Anne comes from a twisted/sick family...and Anne has her own pathological mental health issues.

No, I don't think that Gideon should have taken her to the ER--he should have called her parents if her husband was unavailable

Who found Corrine after she attempted suicide or did she call someone reaching out for help---maybe she called Gideon after her attempted suicide? I can hear Corrine say- "Look what I've done, Gideon, because of you""

 

I don't think Gideon should have taken her to the ER or a doctor either.  Her parents would have been a good alternative if it was necessary.  I think that Gideon talked to Giroux before this incident because they were in the business deal.  He must have told him to get here asap and that is why he was waiting.  In addition, I think that Gideon believed her doctor was monitoring her closely. 

 

It sounds like Giroux found Corinne after telling her that Gideon was engaged.

[Kirsten]

Sorry I'm late for the party Julie.

 

Julie, I posted this for you late yesterday. I love that I can see his eyes so clearly that I notice the bit of brown in the left one.

[Sharonm745]

You're right, AMC .... he knew Corrine's parents, obviously was on good terms with them, and they were right there in New York.

 

Guilt on his part? Because if he got Corrine's parents involved, it would involve him having to explain Corrine was their responsibility, not his. It was forever over between him and Corrine. The hoped for marriage wasn't ever going to happen. In fact, their "dating" was forever over too.

 

He'd dumped her -- and now he was dumping responsibility of her, too.

 

Gideon, Gideon, Gideon .... for such a genius in many ways (from how to make billions to knowing a thousand ways to make a woman come) the man can be an idiot.

I just don't get how Gideon was dumping responsibility.  In my opinion he isn't responsible for Corinne.  He isn't her husband.  Gideon takes too much on himself and if he doesn't take responsibility then folks are upset. 

 

He feels bad for using Corinne but I still believe, from everything I read, he tried to tell her they wouldn't have the relationship she wants.  I understand that he gave her mixed messages and that was wrong but Corinne needs to take some responsibility for her own actions. 

[Fayeth]

Hi Fayeth,S 

Something else just occurred to me, Gideon could have been left the ring in his father's will.  Since Gideon was still a minor when his father passed away, his mother may have been holding on to that ring, but when he begam legal age he may have received a part of his inheritence so to speak (i.e. the engagement ring).  What do you think?  What does everyone think? 

 

Gigi,

 

That is a great possibility since most jewlery is left to children/dependents through the will.  I am assuming though that even in this case Elizabeth would have been the one actually giving it to Gideon.  If that was the case it could have been years ago and he was just holding on to it, so no coversation would have gone along with that exchange, asking who the ring was going to be given to.

 

Someone else brought up about liquidation of assets after Geoffrey was guilty to start the restituition and payback for his miss dealings.  I do not know much about any of the legalities of this kind of stuff, however after watching stuff on TV and seeing it on the news, etc., it seems like certain "family" items are allowed to be kept because the sentimental value is so high that it is something the family gets to keep, ie: jewlery or family heirlooms.  I could be completely wrong though.

[julie54]

Julie, I posted this for you late yesterday. I love that I can see his eyes so clearly that I notice the bit of brown in the left one.

Oh Kirsten

Thank you so much. Hubba Hubba!!

I missed this one. Oooooohhh a party for one! Purrrrrrr!

[Sharonm745]

One thing we all seem to overlook, including Gideon regarding Corinne. She came back to New York under her own steam. Gideon did not encourage or send out signals to her. She clearly had an agenda.

Yes while she was here, he used her as an alibi for Eva, that was where his guilt should end. But he made it clear from the outset, he was in a relationship, and that they would be just friends.

She is a sad, desperate manipulating woman.

 

Right on!  I completely agree. 

[Sharonm745]

Thinking about it last night. I think that trip to SD, will be good for Eva. It might put some issues she had to rest. Brett included. Yes her dad put her in touch with Dr Travis, but not before she had had her wild times. It was almost as if she done a runner from there, going to New York. Making a new start.

 

Good point.  I think Eva needs the SD trip for both her and Cary.  She needs to talk to someone and I don't think she is ready to bring up these issues in her couples session.  I think back to when she said "I love him" to Dr. Petersen.  Gideon said she needed his stamp of approval.  Maybe she needs to talk to someone and she doesn't want Gideon to think she is looking for approval when what she really needs is to just talk through all these events.

[MrsCrossfire]

One thing we all seem to overlook, including Gideon regarding Corinne. She came back to New York under her own steam. Gideon did not encourage or send out signals to her. She clearly had an agenda.

Yes while she was here, he used her as an alibi for Eva, that was where his guilt should end. But he made it clear from the outset, he was in a relationship, and that they would be just friends.

She is a sad, desperate manipulating woman.

Corrine put herself in that position, if Gideon told her he had someone special, why come to NY and risk him not attending to you the way you want.?

I feel bad for her hubby tho he's stuck in the middle of his wife's mischief behavior..!! And the sad part is He Loves Her..!!

[LN Cronan]

I don't think the SD trip is going to be as big of a deal as it seems. I think Eva will go with Cary and security, and she will be focused on helping him with his problems. Yes, she might meet up with Brett but not in an private setting. I think she is going to take her commitment seriously and will use this opportnity to confront Brett about the tape and tell him that she's engaged. 

 

Gideon will trust Cary to c o c k block, I think.

[LN Cronan]

I agree with your conclusions. 

 

I'm thinking Elizabeth was drafted by Corinne to get on her side to become Mrs. G. Cross.

 

Page 140, Gideon on his cell phone talking to a crying Corrine, trying to yet again explain they're friends but he can't give her what she wants ... Eva walks in on the conversation, in tears because she'd just finished talking on the phone to her father about Nathan ... just before Gideon noticed Eva standing there and immediately ending the Corrine call ...

 

"Stop," he said icily. "This isn't the tack you want to take with me, Corrine."

 

The word "icy" I immediately associated with Elizabeth Vidal, how icy Gideon was with his mother (and when talking about her too). I wondered to myself then whether Corrine had started playing the family card, and that's when Gideon chilled.

 

That was my first red flag that Corrine had reconnected with the Vidals -- and that both she and Elizabeth got into some weird codependent dynamic of trying to join forces so that both of them could get Gideon back in their own way -- Elizabeth get back the son she lost and Corrine get back the lost love of her life.

[MrsCrossfire]

Gideon will trust Cary to c o c k block, I think.

If Cary isn't busy with the drummer..!! Lol.!! :)

[LN Cronan]

If Cary isn't busy with the drummer..!! Lol.!!

 

Good one!

[insideofclouds]

Good morning everyone!

Im anxious to know what Dr. Travis thinks of Eva and Gideon and I think that just how Eva wanted approval from Dr. Petersen when she said she loved Gideon, she might want the same from Dr. Travis.

[azmich]

Sorry I'm late for the party Julie.

 

 

OOOH!!! This is now my screensaver on my desktop.

You do have the knack for finding the yummiest pics, Kirsten

[julie54]

Good morning everyone!

Im anxious to know what Dr. Travis thinks of Eva and Gideon and I think that just how Eva wanted approval from Dr. Petersen when she said she loved Gideon, she might want the same from Dr. Travis.

Good afternoon to you.

She definitely needs some time with Dr Travis, and your right about needing his approval.

Have a lovely morning!

[Sharonm745]

Page 140, Gideon on his cell phone talking to a crying Corrine, trying to yet again explain they're friends but he can't give her what she wants ... Eva walks in on the conversation, in tears because she'd just finished talking on the phone to her father about Nathan ... just before Gideon noticed Eva standing there and immediately ending the Corrine call ...

 

"Stop," he said icily. "This isn't the tack you want to take with me, Corrine."

 

The word "icy" I immediately associated with Elizabeth Vidal, how icy Gideon was with his mother (and when talking about her too). I wondered to myself then whether Corrine had started playing the family card, and that's when Gideon chilled.

 

That was my first red flag that Corrine had reconnected with the Vidals -- and that both she and Elizabeth got into some weird codependent dynamic of trying to join forces so that both of them could get Gideon back in their own way -- Elizabeth get back the son she lost and Corrine get back the lost love of her life.

 

Good point.  I miss some of these little connections.  Thanks.

[MrsCrossfire]

Good one!

It might be true tho..!! :)

[azmich]

Good morning everyone!

Im anxious to know what Dr. Travis thinks of Eva and Gideon and I think that just how Eva wanted approval from Dr. Petersen when she said she loved Gideon, she might want the same from Dr. Travis.

 

Very true.

I was also glad that Eva's going to go back to therapy with Gid and Dr. Petersen.

 

I just figured out the meaning of your name here-silver lining? You must be a very happy, positive person.

[MrsCrossfire]

Good morning everyone!Im anxious to know what Dr. Travis thinks of Eva and Gideon and I think that just how Eva wanted approval from Dr. Petersen when she said she loved Gideon, she might want the same from Dr. Travis.

What is she going to say about the separation.? Since she can't go into details why he pulled away from her.!?

[Sharonm745]

I have a question that I don't think anyone brought up yet.  (I try to go through all the discussions so I don't repeat but sometimes I forget where I left off.)

 

When Eva was talking to Gideon about the renovations at the penthouse she wants two bedrooms joined by an open bathroom.

 

Does that mean that the atypical sexual parasomnia will never be controlled enough for them to sleep together?

Is it necessary to have two bedrooms?  When I was reading RIY I was thinking they would have two beds and share the same room.

 

I want them to have a regular life that includes sharing their bed but I don't think that is possible. 

[insideofclouds]

Very true.

I was also glad that Eva's going to go back to therapy with Gid and Dr. Petersen.

I just figured out the meaning of your name here-silver lining? You must be a very happy, positive person.

Well cloudnine is my nickname since my name Claudine and so i always use clouds as a username somehow but also "inside of clouds" is a song by NERD that i like and my twitter name is insideofcloud9 so its pure laziness of not coming up with something different and you know what its pretty perfect in a way because this forum makes me very happy! :D

[azmich]

I have a question that I don't think anyone brought up yet.  (I try to go through all the discussions so I don't repeat but sometimes I forget where I left off.)

 

When Eva was talking to Gideon about the renovations at the penthouse she wants two bedrooms joined by an open bathroom.

 

Does that mean that the atypical sexual parasomnia will never be controlled enough for them to sleep together?

Is it necessary to have two bedrooms?  When I was reading RIY I was thinking they would have two beds and share the same room.

 

I want them to have a regular life that includes sharing their bed but I don't think that is possible. 

 

I had the same thought, also. It's like he wants her as far away from him as possible. He doesn't walk in his sleep. And she's seen him act out with his nightmares.

Maybe it will get resolved and they can use that extra bedroom as a nursery. Happy thoughts!

[insideofclouds]

What is she going to say about the separation.? Since she can't go into details why he pulled away from her.!?

To tell you the truth idk, if Cary is there with her while shes talking to him he may mention it but i truly dont know if Eva would.

[Sharonm745]

What is she going to say about the separation.? Since she can't go into details why he pulled away from her.!?

 

I think she can be honest that he was trying to protect her from all the publicity that she gets when she is with Gideon.  He was trying to take the attention off her in the hopes that Nathan will leave her alone.  She can also tell him that Nathan was the person who attacked Cary and she doesn't know how to deal with the fact that knowing her put Cary in danger.  I think she is still having a problem with that.