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[GiGi]

Yes I do think Eva truly believes she is too young to be married but she knows herself and that she is totally in love with Gideon so I think she is going to try and make everyone happy like she always does but at the same time I think she will be surprised that she will actually thrive in the marriage and come to realize that the security and the vows and of course Gideon committed to her in EVERY way is exactly what she needed in her life. I think that is what the next two books will be about the two of them finding their way as a couple GROWING TOGETHER and finally gaining that confidence of a stable, loving relationship.

Hi Sscrph, 

Good point.  I hope Eva gains the confidence that she needs in order to be happy and fulfilled within herself and her marriage.

[GiGi]

Especially when it concerns someone else! I feel very bad for him though in this book because Eva is now married to Gideon and even though they'll always have each other it's not quite the same and he has all the Tatiana c .r .a.p to deal with .

Hi Mam2e, 

I feel really badly for Cary as well.  It is incredibly sad that one mis-step can lead to a lifetime of stress and aggravation.  I don't think that Tatiana would be kind and understanding if she and Cary didn't wind up together.  I could see her using her baby against Cary and making his and the baby's life miserable.  Sad.

[GiGi]

Hi GiGi!

I'll take anything I can get at this point!!

Hi Claudine, 

You are hillarious!  Yes I too, will take what I can get!   

[GiGi]

I don't see Monica as an escort.  She was presented in society so she has connections even if her parents disowned her.  It is possible that is why she left NYC so she could rub elbows with the wealthy without running into her parents.  It is possible that she was a mistress for a time, she is adamant with Eva not to move in with Gideon before marriage.  I suspect Monica was burned with promises that only a young, desperate woman would believe.  If she was a mistress she most likely got out of the relationship with her first millions and then moved on to Barker.  A man who could give her wealth and access to "the right" people.

 

I do think she is happy with Stanton even if she isn't "in love" with him.  I remember Eva talking to Cary and saying "I don't know why it never occurred to me to just find someone I can be happy with."  Stanton gives Monica everything that she needs except for her being "in love"  with him. 

 

As many mistakes that Monica makes, I think she is right that she did everything for the love of Eva.  She most likely used her only asset (beauty) to advance her position and open doors for Eva.  I feel sorry for Monica because she is hiding a lot of hurt too and she has no one she can talk to.

  

Hi Sharonm745,

You said that beautifully! I also don’t think that Monica would have been an escort either.  You made a really good point about being presented in society.  I think that if anything, Monica may have been fed a bunch of lies as a young woman who didn’t necessarily know the ways of men and of the world.  That would be a far cry from being a kept mistress or an escort. 

 

I hope we get the opportunity to see what makes Monica tick.  Something tells me that there is quite a story there.  I think that she does love Eva as well.  Monica just doesn’t know how to have a healthy with her daughter and that is sad.   Thank you. 

[GiGi]

I agree.  Monica loves Victor; Eva saw it when Victor was visiting in RIY.  I suspect they were arguing about Monica keeping Eva’s abuse from Victor.  I further posit that Victor said some very mean things to Monica and hurt her.  Monica most likely broke down crying, hysterically and trying to explain why.  I believe that Monica is truly devastated and realizes that Eva’s abuse is her fault.  I further believe that she told this to Victor who in turn, tried to comfort her and one thing led to another. 

It is possible (I hope) that seeing how that tryst hurt Eva will give Victor the impetus to examine his life and the torch he holds for Monica. It just might be what he needs to allow himself to let go and find a good woman he can be happy with even if he doesn't love her the same way he loves Monica.

Hi Sharonm745, 

I think that everything you said is absolutely plausible.  It could be that Victor and Monica were arguing and that one thing led to another.  I could completely see a scenario like that. 

 

I have to ask one thing though; would it be fair to any woman who might date Victor (if he finally dropped his torch of Monica) to get scraps or less than all of Victor's heart?  Is it fair to any woman who might date a man who might never be able to fully or completely love them because they still hold a part of their heart back?  Just a thought. 

[GiGi]

The more I think about I think Eva is in awe and hardly believes she is married.  I occurred to me that maybe she is still trying to preserve that "intimate and deeply personal" feeling she had at the ceremony.

 

 

I agree.  Eva is afraid but she knows deep down that marrying Gideon is what they both need, not only for the security but also to heal. 

Hi Sharonm745, 

I think everything you said is true.  I think that getting married and being married requires a shift in mind set.  Maybe Eva is in the process of transitioning from being single Eva to married Eva.  I haven't been married so I wouldn't know  It is just a thought. 

[GiGi]

 

Well I'm over it! Back to Gideon! 

Hi Claudine, 

You have such a lovely sense of humor.  It makes coming to this forum a really great experience.  Thank you. 

[GiGi]

I think that Gedeon won't ever discuss openly the murder with Eva because in doing so he would make her an accomplice. Eva isn't going to tell anthing to Cary for the very same reason.

Hi Gabri, 

I agree.  I don't think that Gideon would want to add to Eva's past trauma by adding the details of Nathan's murder to it. 

[GiGi]

Yes but MommyCa Stanton also put a hand to her throat in EWY either SD is trying to drive us nuts or Stanton is into BDSM too...

[insideofclouds]

Hi Claudine, 

You have such a lovely sense of humor.  It makes coming to this forum a really great experience.  Thank you. 

 

Awww thank you GiGi!  

[GiGi]

As I was reading through the posts just thought that Eva didn't have anyone to take a picture of her wedding.  Even though they are going to have a big blow out, don't you think she would want a picture to remember the private event?

Hi Sharonm745, 

It wouldn't surprise me if Gideon had someone with a telephoto lens quietly taking photos for them to have.  I could just see Eva mentioning something in passing and Gideon surprising her with a photo album full of wedding photos from their beach ceremony.  Just when you think Gideon forgets something, he always pops up and surprises.  Just a thought. 

[GiGi]

Awww thank you GiGi!

 

[Mrs X]

OK...here's what's been bugging me most about EIY. I'm curious if anyone else caught this too.

 

Nathan's bracelet ended up on a Russian mobsters wrist and they know he was killed by another mafia guy because he was under surveillance... Soooo....being under surveillance, wouldn't they know all of the dead mobsters moves that could tie him him to the bracelet? The police should have SOME type of lead as to where, when or how he got the bracelet, right? You don't have a guy under surveillance and then not have a clue what he's been up to or who he's been seen with.

 

Was anyone else puzzled by this?

 

It could be Clancy (or someone he arranged), but I also thought of Christopher. I don't know if he has the connections, but we've already seen him act pretty ruthless and he would definitely be sleazy enough to try to cash in with Gideon...and cash in BIG. And he was awfully quiet during EIY.

 

After  reading the  book  a  few  times and picking up on  different  things.

I  think it  was  Clancy.    His  brother  works  for the  FBI  in  NY  and  would have  know about the  mob  and  the surveillance.

Clancy  may have been watching  Nathan   (remember  he  said to Eva that  he  wasn't  watching  Cary and  never expected that)   he    may have  removed the bracelet  before the  police  found the  body.

And  this  could  now   tie  Monica  to Stanton.    

 

Maybe the  next  book   will tell us  "who,  how &  why".

[julie54]

Hi julie

my brain is stuttering again.....

did something I wrote baffle you?

Hi Gabri

No you didn't baffle me, I think I did a good job of that on my own. Lol

Doesn't take much these days.

Eva thought Gideon was referring to Thursdays appointment too. Made me wonder about Tuesday. Moving house with Raul!

:)

[Mrs X]

Hi Nrock.,

I think that when a person applies to become a member of this forum, the administration has a waiting period where they are in the process of validating memberships.  I don’t think that there is a huge department looking after that and as such, it may take the person who validates the memberships a while to activate said memberships.  What does everyone think

 

 

 

I  agree.  I waited days to be validated and being able to post.

I have been an administrator /  moderator on a  few  forums and the process is  usually  quick.

I am guessing that  Sylvia  may  be  validating  members  hence the delay.

I  am  just  happy to be  posting and  love all the  different  points of  view.

[Mrs X]

Hello everyone,

 

I'm not sure if this has been answered, but I'm a bit confused.

In book 2 - dectective Graves explained to Eva her theory that Gideon was Nathan's killer.  She went on to say that it didn't matter, they were throwing the story away cause Gedeon was no threat and Nathan didn't deserve to live.  She even suggested that Eva should go back to him cause he really loved her.

Why is it in book 3 that they are still working on this case?  And now once again they said it was a cold case.

 

I wonder if Victor Reyes will discover on his own that it was Gideon who killed Nathan???

 

 

Victor   read the  reports  so I am  guessing he  knows that  Gideon  was a  suspect.

 

As  for  Graves,   she  knows it  was  Gideon  but  can't  prove  it.

But the  bracelet  has  her  questioning again.  Her  comment  "I  hate  lose  ends"

She  probably  hates  not  knowing  how that bracelet  ended up where it  did.

The  case is  cold as  far as the  police are concerned.   

 

I  wouldn't  be  surprised if she ends up with  Victor  lol

[GiGi]

I  agree.  I waited days to be validated and being able to post.

I have been an administrator /  moderator on a  few  forums and the process is  usually  quick.

I am guessing that  Sylvia  may  be  validating  members  hence the delay.

I  am  just  happy to be  posting and  love all the  different  points of  view.

Hi Mrs X, 

Welcome to the forum!  I hope you enjoy yourself. 

[Mrs X]

Hi Mrs X, 

Welcome to the forum!  I hope you enjoy yourself. 

 

 

Thaks  GiGi,   been catching  up on posts  but really must  go do some  work   (Eva  never  cleans  house  lol).

Time  difference  sucks  sometimes.

[GiGi]

Thaks  GiGi,   been catching  up on posts  but really must  go do some  work   (Eva  never  cleans  house  lol).

Time  difference  sucks  sometimes.

No worries Mrs X.  It is all good.  Take your time, enjoy the posts when you can and when you are ready bring your theories sister!!  We love to debate (sometimes passionately )!!   

[GiGi]

Hi Mrs X,

May I ask, what part of the world are you signing in from?  I hope that question isn't too personal.  Some people enjoy being anonymous. 

[Mrs X]

The land  where   Sylvia  is  visiting at the  moment.  Thou  she  never came to my side of the  country.  Shame  and  my loss.

 

I  have included it in  my  profile.

[GiGi]

The land  where   Sylvia  is  visiting at the  moment.  Thou  she  never came to my side of the  country.  Shame  and  my loss.

 

I  have included it in  my  profile.

Hi Mrs X, 

Fantastic!  I have family in Australia.  Very beautiful country!  Did you get a chance to go to one of Sylvia's book signings?

[julie54]

Victor read the reports so I am guessing he knows that Gideon was a suspect.

As for Graves, she knows it was Gideon but can't prove it.

But the bracelet has her questioning again. Her comment "I hate lose ends"

She probably hates not know how that bracelet ended up where it did.

The case is cold as far as the police are concerned.

I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up with Victor lol

Huh!

Doing a bit of match making there Mrs X lol

By the way your our first Aussie. Yay! Welcome :D

[julie54]

Hi Julie,

I read your post and you are absolutely correct.  We have no idea what Monica’s past was like.  I think for me, it is hard for me to make leap that Monica was a “high class escort†because I think that Monica would have had more standards than that.

 

Maybe Monica scrubbed toilets for a living, or cleaned homes, or waitressed or whatever other jobs she may have found beneath her upbringing or her status in society.  Could it be that Monica had to frequent pawn shops to sell family jewelry that may have been near and dear to her heart?  Who knows?  I just don’t see Monica spreading her legs for money.  I think that maybe Monica did lots of things that she found humiliating and degrading because of the way she was raised.  Maybe Monica was humiliated by people whom she used to call friends.  Maybe they made fun of her because she was unmarried and pregnant and without money or a family.  I could see that as being very humiliating for a woman of Monica’s age. 

 

I don’t know if Monica is the kind of woman who could sell her body for money.  Somehow it may be a step too far for.  It takes a special breed of woman (by life or by circumstance) that could think that the only way that she would be able to survive is to sleep with men.  It is that kind of woman that would have no concept either internally or externally that would think that was her only option in life.  I don’t know that Monica was that uneducated (she must have received some sort of scholastic education and/or finishing school as a child of privilege) or not schooled in life.   

 

Something else that you said, got me to thinking that men don’t often marry their hookers (yes yes I know we call them high class escorts, wink, wink) but anyway you cut it, these are working girls.  Working in an industry where the vag*** is for sale.  Monica seems to be of the generation that there are women you date and women that you marry. 

 

Escorts sell the fantasy of  se*.  They offer every dirty fantasy that men desire at an extremely high cost.  Men come to these women for the fantasies that they don’t dare ask for from their wives (fantasy and not reality).  Men keep mistresses because they want to maintain their illusions.  They want to be the powerful men in bed (even though they may suck at it with their own wives).  Mistresses have to say, “that’s ok baby, I love men with small pen****, or that’s ok baby, I don’t mind that you can’t get it upâ€, etc. 

 

Monica doesn’t seem to be able to tolerate any inconveniences much less confrontations of any sort.  So how would she be able to tolerate being used sexually by men without her going bonkers!  I think that she absolutely offers the naughty bits in order to land a husband, but not for the sake of a cash transaction. 

 

You are again correct.  We don’t know how Victor factored into this scenario. It will be interesting to see what role, if any, he may have played.  I think that I will give Monica the benefit of the doubt on this one.  She absolutely stinks as a mother (no doubt there) and may never be able to put her daughter above her own needs (that would be incredibly sad) but I will wait to hear that from Sylvia’s lips (as the saying goes).  Your theory is interesting and it certainly makes the discussion really interesting.  Thanks for the discussion.   

 

P.S.  Classy ladies don’t sleep with men for money.  Wh*res sleep with men for money.  Classy ladies sell their jewelry in order to survive.  They scrub toilets and wait tables. They clean houses and take jobs as domestics in order to put food on the table for themselves and their children.  They take every other option in life before they degrade themselves and set that standard for their children.

Hi Gigi

I'll eat that crow pie of Arnoldos if I'm wrong. Lol

But whatever it is that Monica wouldn't tell Eva because she(Eva) was already upset, seems like she(Eva)is going to be further hurt. It has to be bad. How much more can her shoulders along with Gideons take!!!

[Mam2e]

Hi Sharonm745,

You said that beautifully! I also don’t think that Monica would have been an escort either.  You made a really good point about being presented in society.  I think that if anything, Monica may have been fed a bunch of lies as a young woman who didn’t necessarily know the ways of men and of the world.  That would be a far cry from being a kept mistress or an escort. 

 

I hope we get the opportunity to see what makes Monica tick.  Something tells me that there is quite a story there.  I think that she does love Eva as well.  Monica just doesn’t know how to have a healthy with her daughter and that is sad.   Thank you. 

Hi GiGi and SharonM745

I also don't think Monica was ever an escort ,I do think that her marriages have been transactional which is a different kind of selling yourself ,I think she sold her body ,beauty and yes her soul the only assets she perceived herself as having for financial security social standing and I think that the financial security was more for Eva's sake and less about herself .I think once she got pregnant with Eva she gave up on being with the man she loved Victor which must have been a great sacrifice because given how she grew up she learned to equate financial security and social standing with happiness and she wanted that security for her daughter even if it was at great cost to herself and she knew that Victor wouldn't be able provide the future she envisioned for her daughter.I also think that most of her decisions were driven by wanting to provide for her daughter some of them misguided and gone about in the wrong way yes but coming from the best possible place.