julie54 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hi GiGi and SharonM745 I also don't think Monica was ever an escort ,I do think that her marriages have been transactional which is a different kind of selling yourself ,I think she sold her body ,beauty and yes her soul the only assets she perceived herself as having for financial security social standing and I think that the financial security was more for Eva's sake and less about herself .I think once she got pregnant with Eva she gave up on being with the man she loved Victor which must have been a great sacrifice because given how she grew up she learned to equate financial security and social standing with happiness and she wanted that security for her daughter even if it was at great cost to herself and she knew that Victor wouldn't be able provide the future she envisioned for her daughter.I also think that most of her decisions were driven by wanting to provide for her daughter some of them misguided and gone about in the wrong way yes but coming from the best possible place. Hi Mam2 What I want to know is, how long was Monica married to Barker for. She divorced him when Eva's abuse came out at 14. They were married for at least four years. What did Monica do before that? How did she cope financially? She has something bad she is hiding from Eva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscrph Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Thaks GiGi,  been catching up on posts but really must go do some work  (Eva never cleans house lol). Time difference sucks sometimes. On that note, do you think Eva and Cary have a housekeeper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscrph Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I hope they have a picture. I have a feeling that Gideon might have one on his phone. We might see it in the paper soon! Maybe Angus or the hotel photographer took pictures I'm sure they host weddings at that resort frequently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscrph Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hi Sscrph, Could it be that Gideon specifically saw those videos of Eva being tortured and raped, in order for Gideon to; justify to himself, that planning the murder of Nathan, was necessary. Gideon would have seen first-hand evidence of how sick and malicious and what a danger to Eva Nathan was.   Maybe watching those videos helped Gideon to make up his mind about how to deal with Nathan. If he had any reservations before deciding to kill Nathan, maybe watching those videos eliminated any lingering doubts for Gideon. What do you think? Very good point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mam2e Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hi Mam2 What I want to know is, how long was Monica married to Barker for. She divorced him when Eva's abuse came out at 14. They were married for at least four years. What did Monica do before that? How did she cope financially? She has something bad she is hiding from Eva. Hi Julie I have no clue but at a wild guess she could have had a trust fund that her parents couldn't interfere with but that's just pure speculation.I agree it sounds like she's hiding something bad . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscrph Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I agree that Gideon likes to dabble in some BDSM but I question the Corinne collar. Sylvia seems to use the hand to throat often.  BTY Corinne "Her hand went to her throat" Ch 20  RIY  Eva "My hand went to my throat" Ch 2       Gideon with Eva "he wrapped my throat with his hand" Ch 9  Monica "Her hand went to her throat." Ch 17 Gideon with Eva "His splayed fingertips touched my throat" Ch 18  It looks like Gideon puts his hand around Eva's throat when they are having sex. It is possible he did the same thing with Corinne and she was remembering. Yes Sharon totally agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrock Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Yes Sharon totally agree... I think I've said this before, but I believe Gideon would have just had straight, bread and butter, sex with Corinne. They were both young, maybe in first relationships, and Corinne just doesn't seem the type. And this may just be my lack of background knowledge, but I don't think BDSM stuff was as mainstream back then. After all it was an era we could call pre-50SOG! My guess is that post-Corinne, when Gideon wasn't even trying for affection based relationships, is when he needed more excitement and found he liked the control and dominance of BDSM sex and toys. Just my guess, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie54 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Just a silly bit of info. Chrysler have a sporty little number, called the Crossfire in Britain. Lovely car, but not as gorgeous as the DB9 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie54 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I think I've said this before, but I believe Gideon would have just had straight, bread and butter, sex with Corinne. They were both young, maybe in first relationships, and Corinne just doesn't seem the type. And this may just be my lack of background knowledge, but I don't think BDSM stuff was as mainstream back then. After all it was an era we could call pre-50SOG! My guess is that post-Corinne, when Gideon wasn't even trying for affection based relationships, is when he needed more excitement and found he liked the control and dominance of BDSM sex and toys. Just my guess, however.Hi Nrock. I think Gideon would try restraints ie handcuffs and cuffs like he used in the plane. Thats not really BDSM. Very tame. I dont think he would go for heavy stuff like chaining, caning, whipping, clamping or other weird stuff. It doesn't seem his style. Mind you he does fancy that sex swing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azmich Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hey-no auditions yet! SD said that the TV show wouldn't be coming out until after the last book is released. By that time all the Superman stuff might be over and we can have our Henry!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLH Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 After reading FSOG the cuffs and stuff that G and E use are so mild.  More mainstream to me.  I think a lot of men like control in bed and I think a lot of women love the feeling of her man needing her so much as to be in control.  Doesn't feel BDSM to me but what do I know?  Nothing about that stuff except what I read.  A  As for the marriage thing---my husband and I lived together before we got married 37 years ago.  Boy was that a shock to my parents.  But that piece of paper was a big deal.  We eloped also for many reasons.  So I totally get Gideon needing that sense of security.  It makes a difference in so many ways.   Looked at those photos.  I have to agree about Matt.  He is gorgeous and right in so many ways but being gay doesn't work for me playing such a hetero man.  I wish I didn't know that because he has just the right look.  (My brother is a married gay man so the gay issue is just because I have to see this Gideon only into women.)  Ian has a creepy look to him.  Chris Pine is not bad.  James G also.  Most of the men are just too old.  It is hard to find the right look, attitude, and body.  A lot of those guys are either too pretty,too old, or too famous.  I am thrilled that Henry is getting his due but boy is he perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LN Cronan Posted June 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Ok LN I got a query. In Reflected. When Eva went to see Dr Petersen on the Thursday Nathan got murdered. The Dr said Gideon didn't make his appointment on the Tuesday page 257. Two appointments missed that week. In Entwined Gideon said he only missed one appointment, page 77. Eva thought "when he killed Nathan" Now the only thing I can think of is, that was when Gideon was moving to the apartment next door. Or could it be something else? What do you think.  Gideon actually blew off two appointments the week he killed Nathan. He missed his individual session on Tuesday and deliberately blew off the couples session on Thursday, promising to be there but not showing.  What he was letting Eva know in Entwined was that he never terminated his individual treatment with Dr. Petersen -- he was still undergoing therapy for the sexual trauma of his past and working on the very present problem of the parasomnia. Eva was thinking "the week he killed Nathan."  She'd naturally assumed that as part of his "abandoning" their relationship, he wasn't going to continue with individual treatment any more than he was going to with couples' therapy. The only reason he entered both was for her, for them, to make the relationship work. It made sense he'd think he had no more need for seeing Dr. Petersen now that he no longer was involved with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LN Cronan Posted June 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hi Julie I have no clue but at a wild guess she could have had a trust fund that her parents couldn't interfere with but that's just pure speculation.I agree it sounds like she's hiding something bad .  If another relative, like a grandparent, set up a trust fund, her parents couldn't take it away. That's one possibility.  I still think she got some rich man and powerful man to take care of her, though, and yet got "burned" by the fact he didn't marry her. So I'm thinking mistress. I don't think Monica is past breaking up a marriage. Besides, a lot of powerful men break their own first marriages on their own, looking for beautiful second (or even third) wives much younger than they are. Perhaps she thought she'd landed one, and when the guy didn't marry her, the life lesson she learned was to be very pragmatic of forcing guys to chase all the way to the altar itself. Make them work hard for it and refuse to settle for anything less than matrimony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie54 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Gideon actually blew off two appointments the week he killed Nathan. He missed his individual session on Tuesday and deliberately blew off the couples session on Thursday, promising to be there but not showing.  What he was letting Eva know in Entwined was that he never terminated his individual treatment with Dr. Petersen -- he was still undergoing therapy for the sexual trauma of his past and working on the very present problem of the parasomnia. Eva was thinking "the week he killed Nathan."  She'd naturally assumed that as part of his "abandoning" their relationship, he wasn't going to continue with individual treatment any more than he was going to with couples' therapy. The only reason he entered both was for her, for them, to make the relationship work. It made sense he'd think he had no more need for seeing Dr. Petersen now that he no longer was involved with her. Hiya. I get it now. It threw me to start with. When I wrote it, it started to come together. Gideon just missing his one appointment. I'm glad he thought it was important enough to continue going, obviously, Gideon has learnt to trust Dr Petersen, even though he has a dislike for shrinks! Doing it for himself not just for Eva. Part of his growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharonm745 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hahahahahaha he's busy with another model for now!! She's beautiful... Her body is sick!!  She is beautiful but it would be hard to pass her off as petite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharonm745 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 OK...here's what's been bugging me most about EIY. I'm curious if anyone else caught this too.  Nathan's bracelet ended up on a Russian mobsters wrist and they know he was killed by another mafia guy because he was under surveillance... Soooo....being under surveillance, wouldn't they know all of the dead mobsters moves that could tie him him to the bracelet? The police should have SOME type of lead as to where, when or how he got the bracelet, right? You don't have a guy under surveillance and then not have a clue what he's been up to or who he's been seen with.  Was anyone else puzzled by this?  It could be Clancy (or someone he arranged), but I also thought of Christopher. I don't know if he has the connections, but we've already seen him act pretty ruthless and he would definitely be sleazy enough to try to cash in with Gideon...and cash in BIG. And he was awfully quiet during EIY.  I'm not sure but I think that when the police put people under surveillance that doesn't necessarily mean that they are watched 24/7. In this case it sounds like a group of people are watched. My guess is they spent most of their time watching the "top" guy and that is how they caught the murder. I think the guy the bracelet was found on was a "small fish" member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie54 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Eva gives Gideon a hard time about not disclosing facts to her ie Ian suing Gideon, but she kept from Gideon for nearly a week that she and Cary were taking off to San Diego. She should practice what she preaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeena Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I'm not sure but I think that when the police put people under surveillance that doesn't necessarily mean that they are watched 24/7. In this case it sounds like a group of people are watched. My guess is they spent most of their time watching the "top" guy and that is how they caught the murder. I think the guy the bracelet was found on was a "small fish" member.   I hadn't thought of that. That makes sense. And if it was someone with police connections, they would know when he specifically was being tailed vs. others in the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharonm745 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hi Sharonm745, I think that everything you said is absolutely plausible. It could be that Victor and Monica were arguing and that one thing led to another. I could completely see a scenario like that.  I have to ask one thing though; would it be fair to any woman who might date Victor (if he finally dropped his torch of Monica) to get scraps or less than all of Victor's heart? Is it fair to any woman who might date a man who might never be able to fully or completely love them because they still hold a part of their heart back? Just a thought.  GiGi  I don't think Victor is the kind of man who would give a woman scraps. I think he has this unrealistic view of Monica in his mind and recent events allow him to see her as a flawed human like the rest of us. If he can take the rose colored glasses off he can appreciate, and accept, what other women have to offer. I think we give a part of our heart to a lot of people, parents, children, family, friends, etc. I don't think that holds us back from giving our love to someone who will make us happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LN Cronan Posted June 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 He made sure Eva did go to the couples' appointment on Thursday, lying to her that he was going to show, because he was manipulating her movements in order to make sure she had an alibi.  Business meeting in the afternoon where she was widely seen. Angus took her straight from work to Petersen's office and then from there straight home (because Cary was newly-home from the hospital) She stayed in all night, and Cary was not the only other person in the apartment. The intensive part of the home care included private nurses, so there would have been someone awake in the apartment all night who could -- if things got desperate -- confirm Eva never left until early the next morning. Early the next morning, Raul was downstairs waiting to drive her to the airport.  I think Gideon actually would have gone to his Tuesday appointment that week, had he not been scrambling that night with Raul in order to get in place the security measures for Eva's apartment building, including Gideon's taking over the unit next to hers'  Monday and Tuesday night both, Eva spent at the hospital by Cary's bedside. But Gideon knew Cary would be transferred home Wednesday during the day, meaning Eva would definitely be at the apartment building on Wednesday. Thus Gideon needed to be next door to watch.  Though what ended up happening was his spending the night in her bedroom, having received that God-awful email from Eva that evening in which she poured out her agony over his seeing Corrine again, ending it with "I hate that I love you."  Remember, she knew for certain he'd gone out with Corrine on Monday night (press photos proved it). She firmly believed he had Corrine over to his apartment on Tuesday night. She called Gideon at home from the hospital and background noise proved someone else was there (it was Raul, but she suspected Corrine -- and the fact Gideon ended the phone call when Eva demanded the truth convinced her -- she started sobbing after he hung up.) He made no plans to come by her apartment to see her on Wednesday, so she assumed he was with Corrine the third night in a row -- when actually, he was right next door until the middle of the night, when he sneaked into her bedroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharonm745 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 The more I think about it I think Eva is in awe and hardly believes she is married. It occurred to me that maybe she is still trying to preserve that "intimate and deeply personal" feeling she had at the ceremony.   I agree. Eva is afraid but she knows deep down that marrying Gideon is what they both need, not only for the security but also to heal.    Hi Sharonm745, I think everything you said is true. I think that getting married and being married requires a shift in mind set. Maybe Eva is in the process of transitioning from being single Eva to married Eva. I haven't been married so I wouldn't know It is just a thought.  OMG I can't believe how many grammar & spelling errors I have on my posts. It makes me crazy and the nuns that taught me are probably turning over in their graves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeena Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 If another relative, like a grandparent, set up a trust fund, her parents couldn't take it away. That's one possibility.  I still think she got some rich man and powerful man to take care of her, though, and yet got "burned" by the fact he didn't marry her. So I'm thinking mistress. I don't think Monica is past breaking up a marriage. Besides, a lot of powerful men break their own first marriages on their own, looking for beautiful second (or even third) wives much younger than they are. Perhaps she thought she'd landed one, and when the guy didn't marry her, the life lesson she learned was to be very pragmatic of forcing guys to chase all the way to the altar itself. Make them work hard for it and refuse to settle for anything less than matrimony.   I agree she could have been a mistress. I could also see her just moving in with a guy out of desperation to care for her child, being filled with promises of marriage and security, then getting kicked to the curb when the guy traded her in for a care-free (and child-free) woman. She would have been young and naive enough then to have wanted to believe anything from a guy who could provide for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharonm745 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hi Sharonm745, It wouldn't surprise me if Gideon had someone with a telephoto lens quietly taking photos for them to have. I could just see Eva mentioning something in passing and Gideon surprising her with a photo album full of wedding photos from their beach ceremony. Just when you think Gideon forgets something, he always pops up and surprises. Just a thought.  GiGi  You are probably right. That is probably what Gideon whispered in Deanna's ear at the dinner...contact so and so in the Caribbean and you will find the marriage license & picture. You have 48 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb55 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 GiGi  You are probably right. That is probably what Gideon whispered in Deanna's ear at the dinner...contact so and so in the Caribbean and you will find the marriage license & picture. You have 48 hours.  I like this theory!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfire Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hi Mam2 What I want to know is, how long was Monica married to Barker for. She divorced him when Eva's abuse came out at 14. They were married for at least four years. What did Monica do before that? How did she cope financially? She has something bad she is hiding from Eva. It was said that Monica married Barker when Eva was 4 years old and Nathan was two years older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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