One Chapter A Day - Re-Read Of Bared and Entwined

[LN Cronan]

I have a couple thoughts about the comments today.  

 

Gideon's quiet demeanor--I have a feeling that he is so concerned about Eva after seeing the pictures but especially the videos that Nathan has.  Can you imagine hearing her cries as her step-brother rapes her?  I'm sure seeing these videos also brought back some of his own past.  I think he is mentally working through ways to fix this for Eva but foremost in his mind is protecting her.

 

Regarding Victor and his relationship with Gideon - I'm confident that he is going to see the evidence that the NYPD found in Nathan's room which will include the graphic "trophies" that Nathan recorded.  I believe Victor is a father first and as much as he is a police office, even cops will take matters in their own hands on occasion.  I think it would be difficult for any parent to view pictures of their child from the age of 10 to 14 being raped.  I know I would be able to forgive anyone who protected my child.  It will also come out that Nathan is the person who violently attached Cary, a man they all love and consider family.  He knows that it wouldn't be long before Nathan got to Eva.  Graves and company know this too.

 

Sylvia's surprise - I feel there will be a trial at some point too.  I believe there has to be something that will remove the treat of arrest from hanging over the couple's head.  I don't think Gideon will be in jail however.  I think someone posted that he wouldn't get bail because he is so wealthy and can run easily.  I just don't see Sylvia putting Gideon in jail for any length of time so she will probably fall back on creative license and keep him free. 

 

June 4th is getting closer!

 

I'm the one who posted that if Gideon were arrested, it might be hard to impossible for him to get bail. This knowledge comes from twelve years of having observed court cases, including murder cases, in state and federal courts.

 

Even indigent defendants often get denied bail if the charge is first-degree murder (pre-meditated murder). Facing the possibility of life in prison, a defendant doesn't have much to lose by attempting to disappear and attempt to live the rest of his/her life as a fugitive. In fact, some forbid bail, period, for folks charged with murder one -- a judge couldn't even grant bail if he/she were inclined to do so. (Note: criminal laws, including the laws governing bail, vary from state to state.)

 

Rich or poor, one of the factors considered in bail is flight risk. Extremely wealthy people generally are thought to be at higher risk, because they have more resources to be able to live a life on the run.

[Sheens263]

I have a couple thoughts about the comments today.  

 

Gideon's quiet demeanor--I have a feeling that he is so concerned about Eva after seeing the pictures but especially the videos that Nathan has.  Can you imagine hearing her cries as her step-brother rapes her?  I'm sure seeing these videos also brought back some of his own past.  I think he is mentally working through ways to fix this for Eva but foremost in his mind is protecting her.

 

Regarding Victor and his relationship with Gideon - I'm confident that he is going to see the evidence that the NYPD found in Nathan's room which will include the graphic "trophies" that Nathan recorded.  I believe Victor is a father first and as much as he is a police office, even cops will take matters in their own hands on occasion.  I think it would be difficult for any parent to view pictures of their child from the age of 10 to 14 being raped.  I know I would be able to forgive anyone who protected my child.  It will also come out that Nathan is the person who violently attached Cary, a man they all love and consider family.  He knows that it wouldn't be long before Nathan got to Eva.  Graves and company know this too.

 

Sylvia's surprise - I feel there will be a trial at some point too.  I believe there has to be something that will remove the treat of arrest from hanging over the couple's head.  I don't think Gideon will be in jail however.  I think someone posted that he wouldn't get bail because he is so wealthy and can run easily.  I just don't see Sylvia putting Gideon in jail for any length of time so she will probably fall back on creative license and keep him free. 

 

June 4th is getting closer!

Hi Sharonm

 

I think Gideon probably saw the picture but when Nathan started to show the video, I think that is when Gideon probably launched himself at Nathan and would not watch it, just the thought that Nathan had videoed his lovely Eva would have thrown him into a rage, it probably brought up painful memories for him of his rape but seeing Eva helpless like that I don't think Gideon would have been able to stomach.

 

I am with you on Victor is a father first and cop second, he will be delighted that someone stood up for his little girl but I think he will be shocked and disgusted at what the Detective found in Nathan's apartment but I also think Victor will put two and two together and will know Gideon did it.

 

I am thinking more now that there will be a trial but probably not a lengthy one otherwise it may take up so much of the book and you don't just want to read about that for a full book.

 

I don't think Gideon will go to Jail though like you, I think there will not be enough evidence to send him there and maybe after all that is cleared up Gideon and Eva can come out of hiding.

[Sharonm745]

I'm the one who posted that if Gideon were arrested, it might be hard to impossible for him to get bail. This knowledge comes from twelve years of having observed court cases, including murder cases, in state and federal courts.

 

Even indigent defendants often get denied bail if the charge is first-degree murder (pre-meditated murder). Facing the possibility of life in prison, a defendant doesn't have much to lose by attempting to disappear and attempt to live the rest of his/her life as a fugitive. In fact, some forbid bail, period, for folks charged with murder one -- a judge couldn't even grant bail if he/she were inclined to do so. (Note: criminal laws, including the laws governing bail, vary from state to state.)

 

Rich or poor, one of the factors considered in bail is flight risk. Extremely wealthy people generally are thought to be at higher risk, because they have more resources to be able to live a life on the run.

 

 

I hear what you are saying but in books, TV & the movies bail is often given regardless of flight risk.  I think if Sylvia takes that road that leads to a trial she will have Gideon out on bail.  It will advance the romance more.  I don't see Eva/Gideon in a situation where they will have conjugal visits. 

[sscrph]

"Eva found out the way Gideon had gotten the money to start building Cross Industries was through gambling. He'd cheated at blackjack by counting cards -- and over the gaming tables, young Gideon had begun making important business contacts."

Card counting is not considered cheating and is not illegal. Some places ban card counters when they ID them, but some places have regulations prevent this. There's an interesting wiki article about how teams of math whizzes from MIT would go out to Vegas and have big scores.

I mention this because I don't want to see Gideon actions in any way associated with his father's fraud and dishonesty.

I agree thanks Nrock Gideon can't help it he's brilliant!!

[Nathalia]

I wonder if Gideon kept the pics/ videos that Nathan brought. I mean, if he beat him up, he could have snatched them from him. If so, I wonder what he did w/ them? Destroy, keep for some sort of evidence? How horrible I'm sure it brought back all of Gideons emotions from his abuse too.

I'm also curious on how they got Nathan out of the building. Sercuity escort? Also, why did Gideon's receptionist make Eva'a back straighten? Could she have known that Nathan was tied to Eva? Ahhh!! So many questionss!!!

[Nathalia]

I have a couple thoughts about the comments today.  

 

Gideon's quiet demeanor--I have a feeling that he is so concerned about Eva after seeing the pictures but especially the videos that Nathan has.  Can you imagine hearing her cries as her step-brother rapes her?  I'm sure seeing these videos also brought back some of his own past.  I think he is mentally working through ways to fix this for Eva but foremost in his mind is protecting her.

 

Regarding Victor and his relationship with Gideon - I'm confident that he is going to see the evidence that the NYPD found in Nathan's room which will include the graphic "trophies" that Nathan recorded.  I believe Victor is a father first and as much as he is a police office, even cops will take matters in their own hands on occasion.  I think it would be difficult for any parent to view pictures of their child from the age of 10 to 14 being raped.  I know I would be able to forgive anyone who protected my child.  It will also come out that Nathan is the person who violently attached Cary, a man they all love and consider family.  He knows that it wouldn't be long before Nathan got to Eva.  Graves and company know this too.

 

Sylvia's surprise - I feel there will be a trial at some point too.  I believe there has to be something that will remove the treat of arrest from hanging over the couple's head.  I don't think Gideon will be in jail however.  I think someone posted that he wouldn't get bail because he is so wealthy and can run easily.  I just don't see Sylvia putting Gideon in jail for any length of time so she will probably fall back on creative license and keep him free. 

 

June 4th is getting closer!

I agree completely Sharon, escpecially w/ the Victor part.

[julie54]

I wonder if Gideon kept the pics/ videos that Nathan brought. I mean, if he beat him up, he could have snatched them from him. If so, I wonder what he did w/ them? Destroy, keep for some sort of evidence? How horrible I'm sure it brought back all of Gideons emotions from his abuse too.

I'm also curious on how they got Nathan out of the building. Sercuity escort? Also, why did Gideon's receptionist make Eva'a back straighten? Could she have known that Nathan was tied to Eva? Ahhh!! So many questionss!!!

I would have thought that Nathan went out the back door with a security escort, making sure Eva wouldn't come face to face with him. I'm sure Nathan would have gone empty handed. Couldn't see Gideon giving them back, even if they were just copies.

[Sheens263]

I wonder if Gideon kept the pics/ videos that Nathan brought. I mean, if he beat him up, he could have snatched them from him. If so, I wonder what he did w/ them? Destroy, keep for some sort of evidence? How horrible I'm sure it brought back all of Gideons emotions from his abuse too.

I'm also curious on how they got Nathan out of the building. Sercuity escort? Also, why did Gideon's receptionist make Eva'a back straighten? Could she have known that Nathan was tied to Eva? Ahhh!! So many questionss!!!

I don't think Gideon's secretary would have known about Nathan, she may have heard some arguments between Gideon and Nathan or maybe Corrine had come up to see Gideon but been sent away.

 

I do not think Gideon would have kept the video/pictures I think they would have gone back with Nathan and yes I think Gideon got his security detail to take Nathan out probably a back way in case Eva came back from lunch and saw him.

[insideofclouds]

I don't think Gideon's secretary would have known about Nathan, she may have heard some arguments between Gideon and Nathan or maybe Corrine had come up to see Gideon but been sent away.

 

I do not think Gideon would have kept the video/pictures I think they would have gone back with Nathan and yes I think Gideon got his security detail to take Nathan out probably a back way in case Eva came back from lunch and saw him.

But Monica saw Nathan when they were approaching the Crossfire on their way back from lunch.

[Sharonm745]

I wonder if Gideon kept the pics/ videos that Nathan brought. I mean, if he beat him up, he could have snatched them from him. If so, I wonder what he did w/ them? Destroy, keep for some sort of evidence? How horrible I'm sure it brought back all of Gideons emotions from his abuse too.

I'm also curious on how they got Nathan out of the building. Sercuity escort? Also, why did Gideon's receptionist make Eva'a back straighten? Could she have known that Nathan was tied to Eva? Ahhh!! So many questionss!!!

 

Graves said they found the pictures and videos in Nathan's room.  If he gave any to Gideon they were copies.

[LN Cronan]

But Monica saw Nathan when they were approaching the Crossfire on their way back from lunch.

 

Nathan had been in Gideon's office on Thursday midday.

 

Monica spotted him out on a sidewalk near the Crossfire the following Monday midday. Nathan may have been in the area stalking Eva, not there to see Gideon.

[julie54]

But Monica saw Nathan when they were approaching the Crossfire on their way back from lunch.

The time Gideon saw Nathan was when Eva was coming back from lunch with Megumi, and Corinne came out of the Crossfire building looking dishevelled. Eva confronted Gideon in his office resulting in a "fight" when Eva lost the plot. That was Thursday.

Eva went to lunch with Monica and Megumi on the Monday, that's when Monica saw Nathan lurking outside the building. Intimidating, blackmailing Gideon into paying money for the photos.

[insideofclouds]

Ohhh oops! Got confused!

[julie54]

Ohhh oops! Got confused!

Don't worry, we go back and forth so many times, it's a wonder we don't trip ourselves up! Lol :)

[LN Cronan]

Graves said they found the pictures and videos in Nathan's room.  If he gave any to Gideon they were copies.

 

My theory is one of the reasons Gideon/Monica/Stanton originally all had been stringing Nathan along was to attempt to find where he had the originals store -- and to seize those originals. I'll bet Gideon was even willing to break the law to steal the originals. When this all first started, I think their main fear was Nathan hurting Eva via releasing those images, now that Eva was a celebrity of sort as Gideon's girlfriend. Priority #1 was to make sure she stayed in the dark about him. Priority #2 was to seize the hurtful material so he could never again use it as a weapon. 

 

Everything changed, though, when Gideon realized the photos/videos were the least of the dangers he needed to worry about. Nathan could more than hurt Eva figuratively (hurt her mentally/emotionally) Nathan posed a literal real and present danger to Eva's very life, and so Gideon decided the only way to guarantee Eva's physical safety for the rest of her life was to kill him.

[julie54]

My theory is one of the reasons Gideon/Monica/Stanton originally all had been stringing Nathan along was to attempt to find where he had the originals store -- and to seize those originals. I'll bet Gideon was even willing to break the law to steal the originals. When this all first started, I think their main fear was Nathan hurting Eva via releasing those images, now that Eva was a celebrity of sort as Gideon's girlfriend. Priority #1 was to make sure she stayed in the dark about him. Priority #2 was to seize the hurtful material so he could never again use it as a weapon. 

 

Everything changed, though, when Gideon realized the photos/videos were the least of the dangers he needed to worry about. Nathan could more than hurt Eva figuratively (hurt her mentally/emotionally) Nathan posed a literal real and present danger to Eva's very life, and so Gideon decided the only way to guarantee Eva's physical safety for the rest of her life was to kill him.

Totally agree.

I wonder if the cops have the originals from Nathan's apartment.

I'm surprised Gideon, having a "key" to Nathan's hotel room didn't go and search the place himself while Nathan was out.

[insideofclouds]

Don't worry, we go back and forth so many times, it's a wonder we don't trip ourselves up! Lol

Lol seriously!

[sscrph]

I would have thought that Nathan went out the back door with a security escort, making sure Eva wouldn't come face to face with him. I'm sure Nathan would have gone empty handed. Couldn't see Gideon giving them back, even if they were just copies.

I'm sure Gideon summoned the biggest security guards he had employed and escorted him down a service elevator which is so appropriate for that low life...

[sscrph]

Nathan had been in Gideon's office on Thursday midday.

 

Monica spotted him out on a sidewalk near the Crossfire the following Monday midday. Nathan may have been in the area stalking Eva, not there to see Gideon.

I agree that he was stalking because Gideon would never have met with him again at the Crossfire and I'm sure the building security had zeroed in on him anyway before Eva got there...

[sscrph]

I don't think Gideon's secretary would have known about Nathan, she may have heard some arguments between Gideon and Nathan or maybe Corrine had come up to see Gideon but been sent away.

 

I do not think Gideon would have kept the video/pictures I think they would have gone back with Nathan and yes I think Gideon got his security detail to take Nathan out probably a back way in case Eva came back from lunch and saw him.

Oh no I don't think Nathan left with the pictures/video, I think Gideon seized them even though he knew they were just copies and put them in his office safe or some other secure area...

[julie54]

I'm sure Gideon summoned the biggest security guards he had employed and escorted him down a service elevator which is so appropriate for that low life...

Oh yeah. :)

[julie54]

Oh no I don't think Nathan left with the pictures/video, I think Gideon seized them even though he knew they were just copies and put them in his office safe or some other secure area...

I don't think Gideon would let Nathan walk away with them, even if they were copies. Poor Gideon having to witness the evidence of Eva's abuse. His world must have fallen apart. I'm surprised Nathan was able to leave upright.

Do you think Gideon would destroy them or keep them as evidence?

[LN Cronan]

I don't think Gideon would let Nathan walk away with them, even if they were copies. Poor Gideon having to witness the evidence of Eva's abuse. His world must have fallen apart. I'm surprised Nathan was able to leave upright.

Do you think Gideon would destroy them or keep them as evidence?

 

I think the only reason Nathan did leave in one piece was because Gideon realized if he beat Nathan into a bloody pulp:

1. An ambulance would need to be summoned to Cross Industries headquarters
2. Eva would find out someone was carried out of Gideon's offices on a stretcher
3. Nathan would end up in the emergency room, which would be obligated to report a serious assault to the police
4. The cops getting involved would guarantee Eva would find out Nathan was in New York
5. Gideon could be charged with assault and battery = media finds out and goes nuts
6. Nathan could be charged with extortion and/or possession of images that constitute child p*** = media finds out and goes nuts

 

When Eva first told Gideon about Nathan, her motive for doing so was fear that some reporter could dig into her past, find the money/legal paper trail, and run stories Eva feared would damage Gideon.

 

I'm guessing Gideon remembered this terrible fear of Eva's -- not for his own sake but for her sake -- and that's what stopped him. He knew that if authorities got involved again, Eva would be hurt badly.

 

As Angus said, Gideon knows when to stop. Stone-cold sanity must have washed over him along with the thought of something along the lines of this -- "There's got to be a better way to punish this sicko, one that Eva won't ever find out about."

[julie54]

I think the only reason Nathan did leave in one piece was because Gideon realized if he beat Nathan into a bloody pulp:

• An ambulance would need to be summoned to Cross Industries headquarters
• Eva would find out someone was carried out of Gideon's offices on a stretcher
• Nathan would end up in the emergency room, which would be obligated to report a serious assault to the police
• The cops getting involved would guarantee Eva would find out Nathan was in New York
• Gideon could be charged with assault and battery = media finds out and goes nuts
• Nathan could be charged with extortion and/or possession of images that constitute child p*** = media finds out and goes nuts

 

When Eva first told Gideon about Nathan, her motive for doing so was fear that some reporter could dig into her past, find the money/legal paper trail, and run stories Eva feared would damage Gideon.

 

I'm guessing Gideon remembered this terrible fear of Eva's -- not for his own sake but for her sake -- and that's what stopped him. He knew that if authorities got involved again, Eva would be hurt badly.

 

As Angus said, Gideon knows when to stop. Stone-cold sanity must have washed over him along with the thought of something along the lines of this -- "There's got to be a better way to punish this sicko, one that Eva won't ever find out about."

Totally agree. His self restraint must have been phenomenal. How/what does Angus know? Been there before perhaps? I can't think of anyone not wanting to punch Nathan's lights out.

Form an orderly queue! :)

[LN Cronan]

Totally agree. His self restraint must have been phenomenal. How/what does Angus know? Been there before perhaps? I can't think of anyone not wanting to punch Nathan's lights out.

Form an orderly queue!

 

When Gideon and Brett were trying their hardest to kick one another's a*****, Eva had been pleading with Angus (who is Gideon's bodyguard) to stop the fight. Angus refused to do so, telling Eva that Gideon knows when to stop.

 

Angus has known Gideon since he was a kid, and obviously has been a trusted person in Gideon's life, as near to a positive adult role model as Gideon ever had. I hope in Entwined we learn more about Angus' history with Gideon.

 

If I had to make a guess, though, I would say that Angus was the one who got Gideon to channel Gideon's anger problems into a healthy outlet - physical activity. Gideon studies mixed martial arts, and I wonder whether Angus was the one who steered him toward it. As a grown man, Gideon has spent a lot of time working hard and working out harder, mentally and physically expending his energies so that he really didn't have much left over for stuff like sex.

 

Every so often, Gideon got some sort of offer he couldn't refuse, but Gideon told Eva that before she came into his life, sex had been mostly something he could take or leave. Given the state of the guy's libido, he must have really been working out with his fitness trainers to bleed off his energy.