Entwined - A Chapter A Day Discussion (contains spoilers)

[julie54]

Hi Sscrph, 

I guess I would wonder how the connection would be made between Tatiana and Ian?  She wasn't there and was modelling out of the country.  So unless Cary accidentally said something to Tatiana, I can't see how she would link Gideon with the events.  What has everyone surmised thus far?  How did everyone connect the dots?

Hi Gigi.

Someone stated that Cary could have let things slip, while under the medication for his pain.

[LN Cronan]

Hi Gigi.

Someone stated that Cary could have let things slip, while under the medication for his pain.

 

Or even slip post-coital, when he was most relaxed. I can see T.w.a.t.i.a.n.a. very subtly plying Cary for information on Gideon Cross. Plus, Cary would have been more likely to trash the man after Eva dumped him -- especially based on what happened Friday night during the family dinner. Cary was the one supporting -- literally supporting when she came near to fainting -- Eva when the detectives started talking about Nathan being in New York. Gideon stood there on the other side of the room, wouldn't even look at Eva, and was deliberately being evasive about his own whereabouts Thursday. Like Victor discovered, a check of the Internet would have revealed a very cozy picture of Gideon and Corrine out as a couple on Thursday.

[LN Cronan]

Coming back to this particular chapter, Victor started doing his own digging that Friday night after Eva shut herself in her room. He was the one who showed Eva proof Gideon was with Corrine. Victor didn't have to come out and say "cheater" -- Eva's own reaction confirmed for him, watching with his cops' eyes the agony cross Eva's face (as what went through her mind was -- Gideon saw the rape photos, "it has to be this way" cannot be with her anymore, he's definitely f***** Corrine now, they probably went at it all night together after the party, heading right up stairs to the fully-stocked f*** pad.)

 

I think he honestly flew back to San Diego on Sunday, though. He's a regular street cop, not someone who could afford to hang out in New York City for nearly three weeks running his own private investigation. Besides, wherever Eva had been living during the years she was being raped, it wasn't New York. The summer the Crossfire story unfolds was the first time Eva lived in New York City.

 

So it had to have been somewhere else. Perhaps that somewhere else might have been somewhere in California. 

[julie54]

Coming back to this particular chapter, Victor started doing his own digging that Friday night after Eva shut herself in her room. He was the one who showed Eva proof Gideon was with Corrine. Victor didn't have to come out and say "cheater" -- Eva's own reaction confirmed for him, watching with his cops' eyes the agony cross Eva's face (as what went through her mind was -- Gideon saw the rape photos, "it has to be this way" cannot be with her anymore, he's definitely f***** Corrine now, they probably went at it all night together after the party, heading right up stairs to the fully-stocked f*** pad.)

 

I think he honestly flew back to San Diego on Sunday, though. He's a regular street cop, not someone who could afford to hang out in New York City for nearly three weeks running his own private investigation. Besides, wherever Eva had been living during the years she was being raped, it wasn't New York. The summer the Crossfire story unfolds was the first time Eva lived in New York City.

 

So it had to have been somewhere else. Perhaps that somewhere else might have been somewhere in California.

Perhaps if we were given an insight into Monica's early days, we will get a better answer to Eva's past as a child.

Poor Eva's guilt has increased, now that her father knows her terrible secret. He guilt at not being there to protect his daughter, his anger at Monica for not recognising the signs, and getting her out of the situation. This will haunt him forever now. Another life ruined by Nathan.

[julie54]

Bless him.

Gideon had placed on Eva's wrist a diamond studded watch while asleep, to replace the Rolex, which Eva discarded, because Monica had had a tracking device planted in it.

What a little gem(pun intended)he is?

For someone who says he's not romantic, he ticks all the boxes in my book!

What he won't do for his angel. :D

[gabri]

Good morning Ladies

 

my little donkey has arrived at last!!!!!!!!

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I'll go and fetch him right now!!

Chat later

Ciao!

[julie54]

Good morning Ladies

 

my little donkey has arrived at last!!!!!!!!

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I'll go and fetch him right now!!

Chat later

Ciao!

Good afternoon my little friend

About time!

Tell him he can rest his little hooves till the end of the year!

Ciao!

[Kirsten]

However Victor found out about Nathan being a rapist, it appears it was Sunday morning at the police station where he works. On the phone early Saturday afternoon, when their weekly father-daughter phone call got cut short and Eva promised to call him Sunday, he told her "I may have to stop by the station in the morning, but you can reach me on my cell no matter what. I love you." (page 119)

 

1. He was his usual happy self on Saturday. On Sunday, he was angry, practically crying, and was dropping everything to fly to New York as soon as he could arrange it. Given the dramatic change, there's no way he'd been sitting on the knowledge for two-plus weeks. He's not that good of an actor. He was a devastated Dad who found out Sunday and lost it.
2. It was before 8 a.m. local time in California he started phoning Eva's cell phone repeatedly. She missed three calls because she was sleeping in late, having been up almost all night. He also started calling Monica, because by the time Eva did check her phone, Monica was trying to reach her too. He'd even tried Eva's apartment or Cary's cell phone, because Cary sent Eva a shouting text message CALL ME. More indication it was early Sunday morning local time Victor found out.
3. Courts aren't open on weekends, so we can rule out Victor managing to somehow pull Nathan's juvenile crime records Sunday morning. 
4. So how did he find out Sunday morning, apparently at his station house? And how did he know Saturday afternoon he "might" need to stop by the station the next morning?

 

My theory - Detective Graves (or possibly her partner, Detective Mincha) flew to San Diego and had a quiet cop-to-cop meeting during a quiet time at the precinct house on Sunday morning. One or the other (perhaps both) called him Saturday to say they were coming out. What they'd have to say was too sensitive to speak about over the phone, nor would it be discrete mailing copies (someone else could open the envelope -- and besides, there's no mail delivery anyway on Sunday) or to fax the material (someone else could see the pages coming off the machine.)

LN do you think Graves did this trip on her own dime?

[tbidwell]

Hi all I would like to know how deanna knew about the fight with Brett and the way Gideon grabed Ian and threw him into the sofa tat was not there and as far I can remember in bared to you Gideon was not violent towards Eva in the park so where did deanna get rubbish from

[sscrph]

Hi Sscrph, 

I guess I would wonder how the connection would be made between Tatiana and Ian?  She wasn't there and was modelling out of the country.  So unless Cary accidentally said something to Tatiana, I can't see how she would link Gideon with the events.  What has everyone surmised thus far?  How did everyone connect the dots?

Cary may have let it slip during pillow talk...

[sscrph]

Coming back to this particular chapter, Victor started doing his own digging that Friday night after Eva shut herself in her room. He was the one who showed Eva proof Gideon was with Corrine. Victor didn't have to come out and say "cheater" -- Eva's own reaction confirmed for him, watching with his cops' eyes the agony cross Eva's face (as what went through her mind was -- Gideon saw the rape photos, "it has to be this way" cannot be with her anymore, he's definitely f***** Corrine now, they probably went at it all night together after the party, heading right up stairs to the fully-stocked f*** pad.)

 

I think he honestly flew back to San Diego on Sunday, though. He's a regular street cop, not someone who could afford to hang out in New York City for nearly three weeks running his own private investigation. Besides, wherever Eva had been living during the years she was being raped, it wasn't New York. The summer the Crossfire story unfolds was the first time Eva lived in New York City.

 

So it had to have been somewhere else. Perhaps that somewhere else might have been somewhere in California.

Yes I have always assumed Eva lived in California prior to New York and that all of Monica's marriages were in that state except for Stanton...until we are told differently by SD

[Barb55]

However Victor found out about Nathan being a rapist, it appears it was Sunday morning at the police station where he works. On the phone early Saturday afternoon, when their weekly father-daughter phone call got cut short and Eva promised to call him Sunday, he told her "I may have to stop by the station in the morning, but you can reach me on my cell no matter what. I love you." (page 119)

 

1. He was his usual happy self on Saturday. On Sunday, he was angry, practically crying, and was dropping everything to fly to New York as soon as he could arrange it. Given the dramatic change, there's no way he'd been sitting on the knowledge for two-plus weeks. He's not that good of an actor. He was a devastated Dad who found out Sunday and lost it.
2. It was before 8 a.m. local time in California he started phoning Eva's cell phone repeatedly. She missed three calls because she was sleeping in late, having been up almost all night. He also started calling Monica, because by the time Eva did check her phone, Monica was trying to reach her too. He'd even tried Eva's apartment or Cary's cell phone, because Cary sent Eva a shouting text message CALL ME. More indication it was early Sunday morning local time Victor found out.
3. Courts aren't open on weekends, so we can rule out Victor managing to somehow pull Nathan's juvenile crime records Sunday morning. 
4. So how did he find out Sunday morning, apparently at his station house? And how did he know Saturday afternoon he "might" need to stop by the station the next morning?

 

My theory - Detective Graves (or possibly her partner, Detective Mincha) flew to San Diego and had a quiet cop-to-cop meeting during a quiet time at the precinct house on Sunday morning. One or the other (perhaps both) called him Saturday to say they were coming out. What they'd have to say was too sensitive to speak about over the phone, nor would it be discrete mailing copies (someone else could open the envelope -- and besides, there's no mail delivery anyway on Sunday) or to fax the material (someone else could see the pages coming off the machine.)

 

I forgot about the conversation they had on Saturday, he was normal then next day after she had went out is when he was frantic calling!!  Hmmmm

[sscrph]

I forgot about the conversation they had on Saturday, he was normal then next day after she had went out is when he was frantic calling!!  Hmmmm

Yes and he did talk about invading her privacy at some point and hoping she would be ok with it because he was a DAD!!

[Barb55]

Yes and he did talk about invading her privacy at some point and hoping she would be ok with it because he was a DAD!!

 

 

Yes he did, I remember that too!!  Wasn't she on her way to talk to her Mom about the watch bit???

[Barb55]

This is also the chapter you hear a phone conversation I can only assume is with his attorney to draw up the prenup! :)

[julie54]

This is also the chapter you hear a phone conversation I can only assume is with his attorney to draw up the prenup!

Yep you got it. :)

[tbidwell]

Hi can anyone tell me now to get a different picture .as I very new at this

[julie54]

Hi can anyone tell me now to get a different picture .as I very new at this

hiya

Ha! I'm not the person to ask.

Most of the ladies are awesome with these pics. I did it but couldn't tell you how! Just luck.

Good luck.

I do know you go to your profiles, then settings, and change picture.

[fsumom]

 Hi Fsumom,

I agree that Corinne never really knew Gideon.  I think if she developed some kind of figment in her imagination, Gideon may have helped created because of his lies by omission.  If someone never opens their mouth to say how they feel, then how on earth could the other person in that relationship really know their partner?

 

It could also be a situation of Gideon letting Corinne see only what he wanted her to see.  Corinne may have been naïve, or desperate, or stupid, who knows but it seems that Corinne bought the image that Gideon sold her.  It is really very sad.

 

Magdalene on the other hand probably would have seen how Gideon treated women he dated or slept with.  So from that perspective she would have had an idea about what Gideon.  Above and beyond that I am not sure that she ever knew Gideon very well either.  What do you think?

I agree with you about Corrine's image of him was pure fantasy.  Maggie would have also known of his feelings about being around his family too.  And with that little bit of knowledge, thought that being patience would be the key to getting him to be hers.

[Barb55]

Hi can anyone tell me now to get a different picture .as I very new at this

 

If you click on your user name at the top of page and go to your profile.  Click on the blank pic and it will say change and choose a pic from your computer to change.  Hope this helps!!  

[LN Cronan]

Like lots of other posters, I had my own set of theories of what was going to come up in Entwined. Some turned out to be way off, because of clever plots twists I never could have anticipated, and some were partially right. One theory I nailed on the head came true in this chapter, concerning Gideon and Corrine.

I just knew it about him deliberately leading Corrine on by sending her mixed messages, lying to her not in word but rather in deed. Acting in a way that had her believing they were going somewhere. Cold-stone using her. Because it was to protect Eva. Too much was riding on things. Did he feel bad about what he was doing? Of course. But he did it anyway. He was willing to do anything to save Eva, and that included deliberately manipulating Corrine.

I also guessed correctly that whatever guilt Gideon had been feeling would be negated when he ultimately found out exactly how dirty Corrine was playing, how ruthlessly she'd tried to manipulate Eva's weaknesses. As soon as Eva told him exactly what happened outside Corrine's apartment, including the fact the "nooner" stunt HAD been deliberate, Gideon's reaction to the news was a then-and-there decision he never wanted to speak to Corrine again.

Of course, it proved to turn out to be more complicated than that .... but that would be jumping ahead to later chapters, stuff I couldn't have seen coming.

[LN Cronan]

LN do you think Graves did this trip on her own dime?

If she travelled out to California, it wasn't on her own dime, I firmly believe. She was still actively investigating the murder case (we'd find out more later in the novel.)

For one thing, paying to fly out to California and staying at a hotel wouldn't be cheap, and cops do not make a lot of money. Not even homicide detectives. At her level, she'd make enough to be middle class, but never rich. And Victor, as a regular street cop, would make even less money.

Guys like Angus and Clancy (and Raul, too) on the other hand get paid VERY handsomely in the private sector as private bodyguards to ultra-wealthy VIPs.

[gabri]

Hi Gabri, 

Clubbing in Europe was always fun for me and my friends!

Hi GiGi

I might even have run into you!!!!

Where did you go?

[LN Cronan]

This is also the chapter you hear a phone conversation I can only assume is with his attorney to draw up the prenup!

That or playing hard-ball about the proposed pay-off to Ian; a private settlement in return for him signing a non-disclosure agreement to keep his mouth shut about being punched in the face (i.e. no talking to Deanna Johnson). Putting pressure on the other side by essentially threatening "shut up and sign or the settlement is going bye-bye, because some reporter is already sniffing around and could break a story any day. If the story does end up breaking, then Ian isn't getting a cent. If anything, I might sue him and the reporter both for libel, financially destroying the pair of them."

When I listened to that scene on audiobook, it came across as Gideon being a hard a.s.s. It's why Eva, I think, backed out of his home office and "left him to it."

[Barb55]

That or playing hard-ball about the proposed pay-off to Ian; a private settlement in return for him signing a non-disclosure agreement to keep his mouth shut about being punched in the face (i.e. no talking to Deanna Johnson). Putting pressure on the other side by essentially threatening "shut up and sign or the settlement is going bye-bye, because some reporter is already sniffing around and could break a story any day. If the story does end up breaking, then Ian isn't getting a cent. If anything, I might sue him and the reporter both for libel, financially destroying the pair of them."

When I listened to that scene on audiobook, it came across as Gideon being a hard a.s.s. It's why Eva, I think, backed out of his home office and "left him to it."

 

 

This is true, I am just assuming that it was about the prenup because it was such a small paragraph and we know that the prenup was very generous to Eva.  Who knows!!