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I hope I didn't give anyone the wrong impression.  I don't think Sylvia will take this couple down a path where they aren't faithful to each other.  I think their story is learning to deal with the way their past is impacting their present which includes bad choices of s*xual lovers. 

 

I don't like Brett at the moment, however, if Eva is in a situation where Brett aggressively tries to recreate any part of Golden he will go down.  The same with Gideon, he will not hurt Eva again with an old paramour. 

 

 

I like the way that you have worded this, (story is learning to deal with the way their past is impacting their present which includes bad choices of s*xual lovers).

 

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I like the way that you have worded this, (story is learning to deal with the way their past is impacting their present which includes bad choices of s*xual lovers).

 

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I think s*xual partners would be a better word choice.  I'm not sure either Gideon or Eva really had lovers in the past.

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well ladies

I enjoyed my evening with Henry immensely. He didnt disappoint.

His voice. He was Gideon all over!!! Sigh!

Hi Julie

I can see from here you're starry-eyed!!!! lol

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Totally agree w/ both of these...100%!  Do we really think that Brett didn't know about the video though? That Sam never told him? It's been been years that he's had it. Was just waiting for 6/9ths to make it big before releasing it? Or maybe he never thought of releasing it until now..Eva was just one of Bretts groupies that he prob got on film, so no biggie...until now?

My thought/impression was it was after the excitement about the Golden song and the video, Sam went through his collection of backstage "candids" and surveillance type film recordings and then cut and edited anything he could find with Eva and Brett in it into a semblance of the music video. What a sleaze ball or dou che bag as Cary would say.

 

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I bought my husband a 3 piece suit last week (he owns several suits but no 3 piece ones) he has no idea why I was so excited for him to wear it to church this morning!! He also has dark hair n blues eyes, if I squint it's almost like having Gideon here with me ;) We girls got to indulge in fantasies sometimes!! :)

OMG! You made me laugh! I thought I was the only one. My husband has no idea who Gideon Cross is. I'd like to keep it that way. Our delicious girls club called Crossfire.

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GiGi,

Remember when Gideon was on his earpiece with someone and it was a disagreement about a contract? He told them to 'stop talking' and just do it. I think that was about the prenup and wedding arrangements. He pre planned his perfect day on the island that he described as he drifted off to sleep in Eva's arms ... that night she held him in the comforter. So sweet.

You never know what the future brings. I wish you the wedding of your dreams.

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GiGi,

Remember when Gideon was on his earpiece with someone and it was a disagreement about a contract? He told them to 'stop talking' and just do it. I think that was about the prenup and wedding arrangements. He pre planned his perfect day on the island that he described as he drifted off to sleep in Eva's arms ... that night she held him in the comforter. So sweet.

You never know what the future brings. I wish you the wedding of your dreams.

 

 

See my post from today on another thread...

 

Posted Today, 02:17 PM

Barb55, on 15 Jun 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:snapback.png

This is also the chapter you hear a phone conversation I can only assume is with his attorney to draw up the prenup!  :)

 

So this topic in chapter 10 has been really bugging me, so I have emailed, face booked, and sent several twitter message to Sylvia.  She finally had some spare time LOL and sent a reply.  WooHoo....!!  

 

 

This was my question...

 

@SylDay Chapter 10 in EWY is the short phone conversation that Gideon has in reference to drawing up the prenup?? Please??

 

 

 

And this is what she said!!!  :)

 

Sylvia Day ~ Author â€@SylDay

@luvmcdreamy We only know what Eva knows, but I'd guess yes.  :)

 

 

Love Love these books and this author...!!!!!!!

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I hope I didn't give anyone the wrong impression.  I don't think Sylvia will take this couple down a path where they aren't faithful to each other.  I think their story is learning to deal with the way their past is impacting their present which includes bad choices of s*xual lovers. 

 

I don't like Brett at the moment, however, if Eva is in a situation where Brett aggressively tries to recreate any part of Golden he will go down.  The same with Gideon, he will not hurt Eva again with an old paramour.

Well said Sharon and nobody wants this couple to go down such a dark path .I have more confidence in Gideon though as he was never in l u s t with an ex while with Eva.I do believe Gideon is partly responsible for the Brett factor when he didn't heed her warning about Corinne back in Bared.

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I found several in depth studies in medical journals for the atypical s*xual parasomnia.  Treating patients with violent parasomnia events have a high success rate when they are triggered by child sexual abuse. (It appears that they aren't very successful when parasomnia is a progression from sleep walking.)  For the violent dreams like Gideon experiences it states that once drug & psychiatric intervention begin the nightmares are controlled relatively quickly.  Patients are moved to just drug treatment in as little as six months to a year.  Most patients in this category are advised to continue seeing a shrink to treat their abuse issues but even the patients that didn't continue followup conversations indicated that the patient doesn't have violent dreams that hurt their sleep partners even though they might experience some nightmares.  That is prognosis good for our couple. 

Hi Sharon, 

I am so glad you had a chance to look up articles.  I swear if I have to look at another "lit review" my eyeballs might just shrivel up permanently (:)).  What did the articles say? 

 

I am so glad that Gideon might just have his happily-ever-after!  I didn't know that there was a difference between those sleep-walk and those who suffered from this condition because of past sex*al abuse.  It gives me a lot of hope! :)

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I'm not sure Brett would be clued into how embarrassed and humiliated Eva would have been about the music video. For people in the entertainment business, publicity is life blood. They thrive on it and need it and it keeps them in the public eye. Also, from what I see happening in the world of Facebook (though I don't belong) and Instagram and all the other media sharing platforms, many people of Eva and Brett's generation feel differently about sharing intimate details about their lives. After all, what Brett knew about Eva wasn't much besides she was fun, convenient, and a great f*ck. He didn't know her or her trauma or her new life style. He may have been, and was, clueless about what her reaction would be. Poor dumb cluck may have been thinking she'd be pleased because he was publicly declaring his love and muse.

Please don't think I'm saying that everyone on Facebook is like that, just that I think there is a different mind set for every generation. Sometimes I can't believe it when my daughter has shown me examples of what some people post!

The real sex tape is another thing, however. I don't imagine Yinara ((sp?) would have showed it to him or that Brett would think it was ok. Yimara is probably just trying to make a quick buck by capitalizing on the Eva video. Sure it probably wouldn't have bothered Brett personally, but I don't think he'd be stupid enough not to understand how most girls would react. After all, he's trying hard to get back in her life.

  

Hi Nrock,

I read your posting and I thought a lot about what you said.  It is true that we are living in a different time and age.  It is also true that many people share very intimate details as if they were casually talking about the weather.  I think where I get stuck is that Brett hasn’t grown at all since he and Eva dated (yes I use that term loosely).

 

You are absolutely correct that Brett may have made a whole bunch of assumptions, but what struck me was the fact that Brett never made the effort to get to know Eva back then.  It also strikes me as odd that Brett can walk back into Eva’s life after all these years and start speaking in such an inappropriate manner with her.  He spoke to her like “intimate lovers†do.  Not like people who had walked away from the relationship.  It almost seems like Brett has no concept of boundaries and that is why I worry.  Do you know what I mean?  What do you think?  What does everyone think?

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I agree, Nrock. We also need to remember that the video is a visualisation of the Golden lyrics. Eva never expressed to Brett or anyone that she was unhappy with the song Golden or how it portrayed her. And while I get the difference - an idea or a suggestion in a lyric compared to having it acted out for the world to see.

It probably never even occurred to Brett that she wouldn't like the video. Was that nieve of him, yes but I don't think he made the video to hurt Eva, he was trying to remind her of the 'good times' same as the song was supposed to do. When he released Golden he was trying to get her back, even though he had no clue where she was or what she was doing. He was hoping she'd hear the song and turn up at a concert or get in touch. I think the video was just another extension of that.

Brett doesnt understand that Eva is ashamed of her past both with him and in general. And why should he? He's not ashamed of any of it. And Eva has never told him anything to make him think she might be.

  

Hi Rogue,

I read your comments and I think that there wouldn’t have been any way for Brett to get an opinion from Eva about what she thought of the lyrics.  If anything, Eva wouldn’t have been relevant in this scenario.  Brett and Eva broke up and Brett wrote a song about how he felt during the relationship.  It really wouldn’t matter if Eva was upset with the lyrics from Golden or even the video at this point.  The song and the CD have already been published and the video has been released.  Now everyone has to live with the effects. 

 

You make a good point about Brett not knowing about Eva’s past.  There wouldn’t be any way that he would know that Eva was ashamed of her past. 

 

Now both you and Nrock have made me think.  I am not a guy so I wouldn’t know what could possibly be rattling around in their heads.  I just find Brett’s actions immature and thick headed.  Who knows?  Maybe some men are disguised as little boys in men’s bodies.  What do you ladies think?

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I am hoping the Mafia issue like you said will be dealt with in a couple of paragraphs or at least half of a chapter so it does not go on and on and I am sure that in book 4 Gideon will deal with lots of his issues to get to that HEA which I think will be the end of book 5, I would love the wedding in book 4 but something makes me feel it will be nearer the end of the last book. 

  

Hi Sheens,

I think that Gideon has a boat-load of emotional issues that need to be dealt with before we get a happily-ever-after.  Maybe the whole “mafia†storyline will just be a side note; an issue that gets dealt with quickly and efficiently.  Who knows?  Maybe Nathan got mixed up with the wrong people while in the mental institution?  Maybe Nathan got involved with the wrong people after he got out of the hospital?  It could potentially be a million different scenarios that might not have anything to do with Gideon having murdered Nathan.  Maybe karma finally caught up with Nathan and someone did the world a favour by sparing Gideon.  What do you think?  What does everyone think?

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Hiya

Before Eva's dad put her in touch with Dr Travis, Eva's self-respect and self esteem were non existent. She debased herself, throwing herself at Brett at every opportunity, she wanted and needed to be loved. She was desperately ashamed of her past, doing what she did.

She hoped Brett would fill that void, but all he wanted was the sex. Didn't care where he got it, he was an immature boy, he still is to some extent.

Eva needs to go to SD to lay her ghosts to rest. She needs to sort out her relationship with Brett once and for all.

  

Hi Julie,

Do you think that Eva needs to have a face to face with Brett?  Why would she actually need to physically see that man?  What is your reasoning for this?   You are completely on the money about Brett being immature both then and now!  I agree with you.  What does everyone think?

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I think Brett is a problem.  When Eva interacts with Brett, either on the phone or in person, her mind takes her back to their steamy s*x life.  It seems that she can't more on and that spells danger.  I don't think their is any love there but Eva can't deal with Brett in a rational way because of their history and that spells danger in my opinion.

Hi Sharon, 

You make a good point about Eva going back to her past.  Is it that Eva can't move on or that she can't seem to forgive herself for how she acted when she was younger?  You are correct in that Eva is struggling with her past.   I absolutely agree about that.  Let's hope Eva gets it together.

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There is no way that I think Liz believes Gideon made up the abuse.  She has convinced herself that he did and uses the doctors reports as evidence but she knows.  She had to hear Gideon's nightmares and other indications.   She knows in her heart that she failed her son.

Hi Sharon, 

I just wanted to clarify with you that Elizabeth Vidal has deluded herself into believing that her son lied about the abuse and that she is using the past medical reports to justify the continuation of that delusion?  I just want to make sure that I understood your position on this matter.  Thanks in advance.  :)

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I'm not a lawyer but I have listened to defense lawyers on TV.  Almost every one of them say that they never ask "did you do it" or "are you innocent."  They say that they don't want their client to lie to them and see the lie in their eyes.  They prefer to do the research and develop a defense passed on their research not on their clients word. 

Hi Sharon, 

I wasn't sure of the exact language about lawyer/client confidentiality, so I didn't want to say too much on the subject.  I want to make that the information that I impart is accurate, which means I may have to make yet another trip "down the street" to my favourite Crown Attorney.  I am so glad that I know how to bake German Stollen and that he and his family are amenable to baked goods for a little legal clarification.  :)

 

It is either that or he must be thinking some of the oddest things about one of his neighbours (just kidding I hope).  :)

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I'm not a lawyer but I have listened to defense lawyers on TV.  Almost every one of them say that they never ask "did you do it" or "are you innocent."  They say that they don't want their client to lie to them and see the lie in their eyes.  They prefer to do the research and develop a defense passed on their research not on their clients word. 

Hi Sharon, 

Lawyers never ask their clients because if their clients spill the beans about having committed a murder they are put in a very awkward position.  Again, I can't remember the terminology but we have a legal expert(s) on this forum and I hope that they will chime in on this.  :)

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Was anyone under the impression he had? I thought it was pretty well established by Graves they had nothing solid. Did I miss something in one if the books?

Hi Orangeena, 

You are correct.  Thus far there isn't any documented evidence that Gideon left any proof that he killed Nathan.  I was just making a light-hearted comment because this issue has been so heavy.  Then again, we the readers have no idea what Sylvia will write next.  :)

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Totally agree w/ both of these...100%!  Do we really think that Brett didn't know about the video though? That Sam never told him? It's been been years that he's had it. Was just waiting for 6/9ths to make it big before releasing it? Or maybe he never thought of releasing it until now..Eva was just one of Bretts groupies that he prob got on film, so no biggie...until now?

 

And yes...Benjamin Bratt is who i've been thinking of too! Perfect!

Hi Nathalia, 

I can hardly wait to find out whether Brett knew about the sex tape or not.  I wonder whether Sam told him about the video or whether he just held onto the tape in the hopes that someday it might be worth a lot of money.  If Sam taped Brett and Eva together, then I have to wonder just how many other "groupies" did Sam tape Brett with?  What does everyone think?

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